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    Quote Originally Posted by jeevan View Post
    And up in that gilded rankings table high in the sky...

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    Pakistan fell any way, to unprecedented depths.
    So this valiant heroic (not!!) attempt to save the second test was in vain.
    We would have fallen even more if we had not managed to save the Test. Going for the glorious win would not have been the right decision in this particular instance, and this was confirmed by the end of the first session by the condition of the pitch and the effectiveness that Paul Harris was having in keeping them down whenever they tryed to break free of the shackles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeevan View Post
    And up in that gilded rankings table high in the sky...

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    Pakistan fell any way, to unprecedented depths.
    So this valiant heroic (not!!) attempt to save the second test was in vain.
    There is no way New Zealand are a better Test side than Pakistan. They would absolutely cream us, with or without Inzi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BhupinderSingh View Post
    The players in bolds are not good enough to play international Cricket.
    Interesting to note that you did not bold Rao Iftikhar Anjum, who is a terrible bowler. Also, Salman Butt is a very good limited overs batsman, the best opener in Pakistan by quite a distance.

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    Amazing series for Kallis, three centuries and a fifty. Averaged over 200. Nice to see Smith notching up a century, his first in a while. Amla was terrible, and Gibbs wasn't much better. Get them out of the Test side, Neil McKenzie deserves another shot. Not too mention guys like JP Duminy, Zander de Bruyn and Martin van Jaarsveld, all classy batsman. Unfortunately Gibbs has carried on too long, he's been quite bad for the last couple of years now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    Interesting to note that you did not bold Rao Iftikhar Anjum, who is a terrible bowler. Also, Salman Butt is a very good limited overs batsman, the best opener in Pakistan by quite a distance.
    Pakistan has at least 3 better opening batsmen than Salman Butt which are

    Khalid Latif
    Taufeeq Umar
    Khurram Manzoor

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    And Rao Iftikhar has also been bolded,something that I initially forgot to do while making the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Baconator View Post
    Forgive my lack of knowledge of Pakistan's depth, but are there suitable replacements for those guys who are good enough?
    There are atleast 3 suitable replacements for each of the name that I bolded in my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpitched713 View Post
    We would have fallen even more if we had not managed to save the Test. Going for the glorious win would not have been the right decision in this particular instance, and this was confirmed by the end of the first session by the condition of the pitch and the effectiveness that Paul Harris was having in keeping them down whenever they tryed to break free of the shackles.
    Yes, instead of falling to next to last place - they would have fallen to next to last place. They are now below every country except west indies, and there was no chance to fall below them anyway.

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    Pakistan wanted to spin South Africa out in this series and that was one decision that really backfired on them, in both the test they lost the toss and South Africa were able to set good 1st inning scores on both occasions and on the other hand Pakistan's batting crumbled in reply.
    Kallis was out there in this series with a point to prove and he did just that in great style and he has well supported by other batsmen and bowlers too stuck to their tasks and did the basics right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pup11 View Post
    Pakistan wanted to spin South Africa out in this series and that was one decision that really backfired on them, in both the test they lost the toss and South Africa were able to set good 1st inning scores on both occasions and on the other hand Pakistan's batting crumbled in reply.
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    They forgot that unlike India the pitches in Pak aren't exactly ideal for spin.They also forgot that they themselves didn't have a world class spinner.Kaneria is a good bowler, but not someone who is capable of winning a series for his team.He's probably the most over-rated bowler in Pak team

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    That's alright, we'll be back up in the rankings after we beat India in India.

    Still, takes some doing dropping from 2nd all the way down to 7th. Not every team can manage that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    There is no way New Zealand are a better Test side than Pakistan. They would absolutely cream us, with or without Inzi.
    Would all depend on Bond, imo. I just don't see most of our batsmen being able to play him with his pace and swing, and doubly so if the match is being played on a stereotypical New Zealand pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perm View Post
    Interesting to note that you did not bold Rao Iftikhar Anjum, who is a terrible bowler.
    Hes an accurate ODI bowler. Complements many of our other bowlers well with his abilty to keep it tight. Might not get a run in many other ODI standard sides, but what he does is much more valuable to the Pakistani side than might be obvious.

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    Also, Salman Butt is a very good limited overs batsman, the best opener in Pakistan by quite a distance.
    Salman Butt is a good limited overs option, but he does look a lot better than he actually is, imo. By no means the best opener in Pakistan by far, if at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Yes, instead of falling to next to last place - they would have fallen to next to last place. They are now below every country except west indies, and there was no chance to fall below them anyway.

    Congratulations.

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    Would have fallen a lot more in their rating as opposed to their actual ranking, and seeing that the former is what determines the latter, I would find maintaining it to be very, very important.

    We have an excellent chance of getting right back where we came from if we have a good series in India though, so I don't see this loss as particularly disastrous from our point of view.

    Quote Originally Posted by nightprowler10 View Post
    That's alright, we'll be back up in the rankings after we beat India in India.

    Still, takes some doing dropping from 2nd all the way down to 7th. Not every team can manage that.
    We were fourth though, IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpitched713 View Post
    Would all depend on Bond, imo. I just don't see most of our batsmen being able to play him with his pace and swing, and doubly so if the match is being played on a stereotypical New Zealand pitch.
    AWTA. NZ bowling incl Bond creamed an India batting lineup of Sehwag-Tendulka-Dravid-Ganguly-Laxman in NZ , all then in their prime.

    Then NZ held it's own in India. This was 5 years ago, but still. (India's worst test record this decade is possibly against NZ).

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