Can you name an ODI team to beat the All-Time Australian XI?

[Prince EWS]

at his best he is one of the best in the world- came off a fantastic ashes series. him and hussey have been done a rough deal by being kept out for so long

How does the Ashes series have anything to do with an ODI team?

It'd be like naming Andrew Johns in an all-time rugby union team.

 

[gunsainter]

i think the gap between test and one dayers is much smaller than the diff. between union and league (not following rugby myself)

 

[nightprowler10]

Would it be fair to say Mark Boucher is a much better then Moin Khan was?

In ODIs, Boucher is definitely a better bat than Moin.

 

[Prince EWS]

i think the gap between test and one dayers is much smaller than the diff. between union and league (not following rugby myself)

The gap is smaller indeed, but it's not "much smaller" at all.

 

[Matt79]

Tendulkar
Haynes
Richards
Kallis
Lara
Sanggakara
Kapil Dev
Kluesner
Wasim Akram
Murali
Garner

 

[Richard]

I feel that career averages vs Australia should be brought into this for some of the names mentioned.

The good:

Sachin Tendulkar

                     Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St
unfiltered           381 14783 186*  44.12  41  76 147  5/32   44.02  2 115  0
[B]filtered              47  2183 143   46.44   7  11  20  5/32   39.25  1  21  0[/B]

Brian Lara

unfiltered           290 10136 169   40.54  19  62   4  2/5    15.25  0 115  0
[B]filtered              50  1781 139   38.71   3  14   0   -       -    0  19  0[/B]

Sir Viv

unfiltered           187  6721 189*  47.00  11  45 118  6/41   35.83  2 100  0
[B]filtered              54  2187 153*  50.86   3  20  32  3/29   41.53  0  20  0[/B]

Shaun Pollock

unfiltered           274  2969  75   24.94   0  11 373  6/35   23.74  5 102  0
[B]filtered              43   619  69   23.80   0   2  56  5/36   28.10  1  13  0[/B]

Wasim Akram

unfiltered           356  3717  86   16.52   0   6 502  5/15   23.52  6  88  0
[B]filtered              49   806  86   20.15   0   1  67  5/21   27.43  1   8  0[/B]

Murali

unfiltered           287   488  27    5.80   0   0 432  7/30   23.07  8 112  0
[B]filtered              32    55  27    6.11   0   0  46  4/27   29.84  0  13  0[/B]

Kumar Sangakkara

unfiltered           189  5476 138*  36.26   6  36   -   -       -    - 166 48
[B]filtered              22   925 101   46.25   1   6   -   -       -    -  10  6[/B]

Saqlain Mushtaq

unfiltered           169   711  37*  11.85   0   0 288  5/20   21.78  6  40  0
[B]filtered              17   106  37*  11.77   0   0  27  5/29   23.33  1   2  0[/B]

Allan Donald

unfiltered           164    95  13    4.31   0   0 272  6/23   21.78  2  28  0
[B]filtered              30    24  11    3.42   0   0  45  4/29   25.97  0   5  0[/B]

The in-between:

Inzamam Ul-Haq

                     Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St
unfiltered           375 11665 137*  39.67  10  83   3  1/0    21.33  0 109  0
[B]filtered              34   991  91*  31.96   0   9   -   -       -    -   5  0[/B]

Lance Klusener (due to his bowling, but his batting is very fine)

unfiltered           171  3576 103*  41.10   2  19 192  6/49   29.95  6  35  0
[B]filtered              26   794  92   44.11   0   5  26  5/24   38.19  1   3  0[/B]

Mark Boucher

unfiltered           233  3607 147*  27.96   1  21   -   -       -    - 335 18
[B]filtered              27   498  76   24.90   0   5   -   -       -    -  38  2[/B]

Jacques Kallis

unfiltered           247  8520 139   44.37  14  59 225  5/30   31.01  2  95  0
[B]filtered              37  1094 104*  31.25   1   7  27  3/30   46.11  0  11  0[/B]

Andrew Flintoff

unfiltered           115  2984 123   33.52   3  16 122  4/14   26.41  0  36  0
[B]filtered              20   515  87   30.29   0   1  18  3/23   42.94  0   4  0[/B]

The bad:

Sanath Jayasuriya

                     Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St
unfiltered           379 11538 189   32.87  23  62 285  6/29   36.96  4 111  0
[B]filtered              41   849 122   22.34   2   3  28  5/28   45.03  1  11  0[/B]

Waqar Younis

unfiltered           262   969  37   10.30   0   0 416  7/36   23.84 13  35  0
[B]filtered              30   202  37   12.62   0   0  29  6/59   40.75  1   3  0[/B]

Sourav Ganguly

unfiltered           286 10470 183   41.22  22  64  94  5/16   37.37  2  98  0
[B]filtered              30   647 100   22.31   1   4   7  3/41   46.42  0  12  0[/B]

Saeed Anwar

unfiltered           247  8823 194   39.21  20  43   6  2/9    31.83  0  42  0
[B]filtered              30   683 104*  23.55   1   0   1  1/15   49.00  0   6  0[/B]

Worthy a mention?:

Shane Bond

                     Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St
unfiltered            59   198  31*  15.23   0   0 112  6/19   19.66  4  12  0
[B]filtered              11    40  26   13.33   0   0  34  6/23   13.88  3   5  0[/B]

Martin Crowe

unfiltered           143  4704 107*  38.55   4  34  29  2/9    32.89  0  66  0
[B]filtered              35  1096 100*  35.35   1   8  10  2/9    25.30  0  24  0[/B]

Sir Paddles

unfiltered           115  1751  79   21.61   0   4 158  5/25   21.56  5  27  0
[B]filtered              36   582  79   20.06   0   1  46  5/26   22.91  1   8  0[/B]

Aravinda de Silva

unfiltered           308  9284 145   34.90  11  64 106  4/30   39.40  0  95  0
[B]filtered              36  1451 107*  48.36   2  10  14  3/42   50.92  0   7  0[/B]

Mohammed Yousuf

unfiltered           233  7853 141*  41.77  12  52   0   -       -    0  50  0
[B]filtered              24   890 100   40.45   1   6   -   -       -    -   2  0[/B]

Desmond Haynes

unfiltered           238  8648 152*  41.37  17  57   0   -       -    0  59  0
[B]filtered              64  2262 148   40.39   6  13   -   -       -    -  16  0[/B]

Graeme Hick

unfiltered           120  3846 126*  37.33   5  27  30  5/33   34.20  1  64  0
[B]filtered              13   472 109   39.33   2   2   4  3/41   27.00  0   5  0[/B]

Ntini!

unfiltered           144   158  42*   9.87   0   0 231  6/22   22.94  4  27  0
[B]filtered              19    18  11    9.00   0   0  29  6/22   29.00  1   4  0[/B]

Ambrose

unfiltered           176   639  31*  10.65   0   0 225  5/17   24.12  4  45  0
[B]filtered              41   166  23    8.73   0   0  61  5/17   21.80  3  11  0[/B]

Chris Harris

unfiltered           250  4379 130   29.00   1  16 203  5/42   37.50  1  96  0
[B]filtered              38   887 130   38.56   1   4  31  3/37   37.51  0  14  0[/B]

Can't really comment:

MS Dhoni

                     Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St
unfiltered            66  1958 183*  46.61   2  12   -   -       -    -  61 12
[B]filtered               3    51  28   25.50   0   0   -   -       -    -   4  0[/B]

1. Haynes
2. Tendulkar
3. Viv
4. de Silva
5. Lara
6. Sangakkara+
7. Hadlee
8. Akram
9. Mushtaq
10. Ambrose
11. Donald

12th: S Bond (due to injury/lack of games)

at Aravinda's record against Aus being so good!

I mean, I knew he'd done well against them, but not quite that well!

 

[silentstriker]

So who would you swap in the batting line-up?

.

Well, its more about batting deeper, rather than removing a top six batsman. Maybe include Hadlee, or someone like that to boost the lineup.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Bond has a crazy record against Aus, off the top of my head he averages 15 >.

 

[Slifer]

my team:

Haynes
Greenidge
Viv
Lara
Gayle
Lloyd*
Dujon+
Holding
Roberts
Ambrose
Garner

 

[Slifer]

Supersub = Roger Harper

 

[silentstriker]

This was the Australian all time team as picked by them:

1. Adam Gilchrist
2. Mark Waugh
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Dean Jones
5. Steve Waugh (captain)
6. Michael Bevan
7. Andrew Symonds
8. Shane Warne
9. Brett Lee
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath

Compared to a non-Aussie team:

1. Tendulkar
2. Haynes
3. Richards
4. Kallis
5. Lara
6. Sanggakara
7. Kapil Dev
8. Kluesner
9. Wasim Akram
10. Murali
11. Garner

Lets go position by position:


Batting

Openers: Tendulkar and Haynes vs Gilchrist and Waugh. Gilly and Waugh are quality but it has to be Tendy and Haynes in an easy win.

Middle Order: Ponting, Jones, Waugh and Bevan vs. Richards, Kallis, Lara and Sangakkara.

This one is close: Richards and Bevan cancel each other out, even though I'd put Viv ahead by a little. Ponting, Jones and Waugh are all quality, but so are Kallis, Lara and Sangakkarra. This is a touchy but I'll give the slight edge to ROW.

Late Middle and Lower order: Dev, Kluesner,Akram and Murali vs. Warne, Lee, Lillee and Garner. An easy victory for the Rest of World here (remember, this is batting only).


Wicketkeeping: Gilchrist vs Sangakarra...Gilly as an underrated keeper comes through.

Fast Bowling: Garner, Wasim, Dev and Kluesner vs. Lillee, McGrath, Lee and Lillee. I'll give it to the rest of the world as in ODI's Garner and Wasim were pretty much peerless, and the second tier is also good in Dev and even Kluesner.

Spin Bowling: Murali vs Warne and Symonds....Rest of world here again.

OVERALL: ROW takes it.

 

[PhoenixFire]

This was the Australian all time team as picked by them:

1. Adam Gilchrist
2. Mark Waugh
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Dean Jones
5. Steve Waugh (captain)
6. Michael Bevan
7. Andrew Symonds
8. Shane Warne
9. Brett Lee
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath

1. Tendulkar
2. Haynes
3. Richards
4. Kallis
5. Lara
6. Sanggakara
7. Kapil Dev
8. Kluesner
9. Wasim Akram
10. Murali
11. Garner

Tendulkar > Gilchrist
Waugh = Haynes
Richards > Ponting
Jones > Kallis (Just)
Lara > Waugh
Bevan > Sangakkara
Kapil Dev > Symonds
Klusener > Warne (Purely ODI)
Wasim Akram > Lee
Lillee = Murali
Garner > McGrath

RoW win 7-3

 

[Richard]

This was the Australian all time team as picked by them:

1. Adam Gilchrist
2. Mark Waugh
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Dean Jones
5. Steve Waugh (captain)
6. Michael Bevan
7. Andrew Symonds
8. Shane Warne
9. Brett Lee
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath

Compared to a non-Aussie team:

1. Tendulkar
2. Haynes
3. Richards
4. Kallis
5. Lara
6. Sanggakara
7. Kapil Dev
8. Kluesner
9. Wasim Akram
10. Murali
11. Garner

Lets go position by position:


Batting

Openers: Tendulkar and Haynes vs Gilchrist and Waugh. Gilly and Waugh are quality but it has to be Tendy and Haynes in an easy win.

Middle Order: Ponting, Jones, Waugh and Bevan vs. Richards, Kallis, Lara and Sangakkara.

This one is close: Richards and Bevan cancel each other out, even though I'd put Viv ahead by a little. Ponting, Jones and Waugh are all quality, but so are Kallis, Lara and Sangakkarra. This is a touchy but I'll give the slight edge to ROW.

Late Middle and Lower order: Dev, Kluesner,Akram and Murali vs. Warne, Lee, Lillee and Garner. An easy victory for the Rest of World here (remember, this is batting only).


Wicketkeeping: Gilchrist vs Sangakarra...Gilly as an underrated keeper comes through.

Fast Bowling: Garner, Wasim, Dev and Kluesner vs. Lillee, McGrath, Lee and Lillee. I'll give it to the rest of the world as in ODI's Garner and Wasim were pretty much peerless, and the second tier is also good in Dev and even Kluesner.

Spin Bowling: Murali vs Warne and Symonds....Rest of world here again.

OVERALL: ROW takes it.

I'd prefer Pollock to Kapil and Klusener.

By a mile.

 

[nightprowler10]

RoW win 7-3

Too bad cricket doesn't work that way.

 

[C_C]

Can't see how anyone could pick an alltime world team and not have Kapil at #7 tbh.
Especially considering that Akram could throw the bat a bit and is at #8..so the batting is deep. People are basing their observations too much on current state of pitches than ODIs overall. Kapil IMO has the strongest case for #7's position.
The job of the #7 is to be a handy bowler and an explosive batsman who can score a quickfire 20-30 when required.
Kapil was a superb ODI bowler who i'd back to bowl whole 10 overs more often than not and his ODI batting is tailormade for #7.

In my alltime ODI team, i'd have Tendy-Gillchrist-Viv-Bevan-Kapil-Wasim as certainties.

 

[marc71178]

The job of the #7 is to be a handy bowler and an explosive batsman who can score a quickfire 20-30 when required.

That all depends on the make up of the side.

If you haven't got a keeper capable of being a top 6 batsman then that sort of player at 7 isn't right IMO.

 

[Richard]

IAH, I can think of few I'd prefer have at seven than Mahedra Dhoni.

 

[C_C]

That all depends on the make up of the side.

If you haven't got a keeper capable of being a top 6 batsman then that sort of player at 7 isn't right IMO.

Err. It is my firm beleif that having a Gillchrist-Tendulkar opening partnership takes care of the batting and balancing the side aspects in the ODI team better than any other combination.
So #7 in my team is an allrounder like Kapil.

 

[deeps]

Ok guys, step aside. This is how things work

Sachin Tendulkar
Saeed Anwar
Brian Lara
Inzamam Ul Haq
Viv Richards
Kumar Sangakarra
Kapil Dev
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Muttiah Muralitharan

The top order is brilliant. Top three are absolute superstars. Four and 5 are as well.

Now 7,8,9 are all very handy batsman and explosive hitters when they want to be. Sure, Sangakarra isn't ideal at 6 and would be much better up the order, but he can't knock anyone else off that perch. The reason i picked Sangakarra instead of Boucher is that he can be a very solid bat. There is enough lower order power hitting at 7,8 and 9. If quick runs are needed, a quick change in order is sufficient. But if quick wickets fall, i'd prefer Sangi over Boucher there. He also balances out all the explosiveness in the side.

The bowling picks itself really, the two W's, Murali, Pollock and Dev are all very good bowlers. Tendulkar is a severely under rated spinner as a 6th option if necessary.


I don't think there would be many sides ever that could topplie this team. It has everything, solidity, class, explosiveness, flair, and good balance.

 

[silentstriker]

You cannot have an ODI all time batting lineup without all of Tendulkar-Viv-Bevan. It cannot happen.