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    England, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan - Who has the best fast bowling weapons?

    Well out of all the major nations these 4 countries all have top fast bowling stocks, which argue well for the future of the game i think. Without reading to much i would be tempted to say Australia slightly but if i really think about it one can't be too certain. So i had a look:

    AUSTRALIA:

    McGrath
    Lee
    Clark
    Johnson
    Tait
    Bracken
    Gillespie
    Hilfenhaus

    ENGLAND:

    Harmison
    Hoggard
    Flintoff
    Jones
    Mahmood
    Anderson
    Broad
    Tremlett
    Lewis

    SOUTH AFRICA:

    Pollock
    Ntini
    Steyn
    Nel
    Langevelt
    Hall
    Morkel
    Hayward
    De Wet
    Zondeki

    PAKISTAN:

    Akhtar
    Asif
    Gul
    Naved
    Shabbir
    Nazir
    Rao Iftikhar
    Sami

    All full of quality, as i said i'm tempted to give Australia a slight edge due to how consistent they have been over the years & the recent introduction of Troy Cooley. But England & South Africa are probably just as good on paper TBH.

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    Australia, for about one more year.

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    Dude, I was in the process of making this very thread.

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    1) Australia
    2) Pakistan
    3) South Africa
    4) England


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    OK, lets go through and rate them in regards to Test cricket then...taking into account both career achievements and reasonably recent form, as well as displayed potential.

    AUSTRALIA:

    McGrath: A-
    Lee: B
    Clark: B+
    Johnson: C
    Tait: C-
    Bracken: C
    Gillespie: D
    Hilfenhaus: D+

    ENGLAND:

    Harmison: B
    Hoggard: A
    Flintoff: A
    Jones: B (injury curtailing his rating a fair bit)
    Mahmood: B-
    Anderson: C+
    Broad: D+
    Tremlett: D+
    Lewis: C-

    SOUTH AFRICA:

    Pollock: B+
    Ntini: A
    Steyn: B
    Nel: A-
    Langevelt: B
    Hall: B
    Morkel: Have not seen, shall not rate
    Hayward: C-
    De Wet: Have not seen, shall not rate
    Zondeki: Have not seen, shall not rate

    PAKISTAN:

    Akhtar: Hmmm, A-
    Asif: A-
    Gul: B+
    Naved: B
    Shabbir: ... B
    Nazir: C+
    Rao Iftikhar: C
    Sami: D...+

    Disagree, or whatever, with any of them.

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    I think at the moment Australia would have to be number one. However once McGrath they could fall behind both England and South Africa. My rankings at the moment would be:
    1. Australia
    2. South Africa - very good attack. Ntini is probably the most in form test fast bowler currently and Steyn is a good up and coming bowler who should be around for a while. They've got good support in Nel and Pollock.
    3. England - probably the best attack when fully fit. They just don't have good back up fast bowlers when the regulars are injured.
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    The Aussie pace attack is the most consistent with McGrath and Clark in the ranks. Lee provides some pace and uses the new-ball well, but the back-up is nothing to rave about yet.

    The English pace attack is potentially the most dangerous in the world. Hoggard is very reliable and underrated with the new ball, while Flintoff can pry out the best of the best. Harmison is too inconsistent and the back-up for the chronically injured Jones is ordinary.

    The South African pace attack is balanced and potent. Ntini is one of the best at the moment, but Pollock is on the decline. Steyn has potential and Nel is usually a handful. With Morkel coming through the ranks, this attack could be lethal in years to come. Right now, they are solid but not spectacular.

    The Pakistani pace attack could become the best in the world within a year. Akhtar and Asif are world-class already, while Gul has proven himself quite well in the absence of Akhtar and Asif. There is depth but the quality is only decent.

    Right now ... 1) Australia 2) England 3) South Africa 4) Pakistan

    Really, any of these attacks could be the best in the world (except for South Africa, perhaps). It's about all the guys being fit and performing together. Only the Australians do that.

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    1) Aussie

    The second place changes a lot as none of the others are as consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    OK, lets go through and rate them in regards to Test cricket then...taking into account both career achievements and reasonably recent form, as well as displayed potential.

    AUSTRALIA:

    McGrath: A-
    Lee: B
    Clark: B+
    Johnson: C
    Tait: C-
    Bracken: C
    Gillespie: D
    Hilfenhaus: D+

    ENGLAND:

    Harmison: B
    Hoggard: A
    Flintoff: A
    Jones: B (injury curtailing his rating a fair bit)
    Mahmood: B-
    Anderson: C+
    Broad: D+
    Tremlett: D+
    Lewis: C-

    SOUTH AFRICA:

    Pollock: B+
    Ntini: A
    Steyn: B
    Nel: A-
    Langevelt: B
    Hall: B
    Morkel: Have not seen, shall not rate
    Hayward: C-
    De Wet: Have not seen, shall not rate
    Zondeki: Have not seen, shall not rate

    PAKISTAN:

    Akhtar: Hmmm, A-
    Asif: A-
    Gul: B+
    Naved: B
    Shabbir: ... B
    Nazir: C+
    Rao Iftikhar: C
    Sami: D...+

    Disagree, or whatever, with any of them.
    McGrath deserves an A+

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    As long as Pigeon is around, it will keep Australia on top, I think. Pakistan look the most promising among the others, simply because they are all capable of reverse swing at pace, well almost all. RSA and England are promising but a lot depends on how the youngsters of these 3 sides develop over the next few years. And also the youngsters of Australia once McGrath calls it a day. But I think we may finally be coming out of that lean trot for pace bowling that was the past few years.
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    Agreed. Pace attacks are definitely improving, especially with the emergence of guys like Taylor, Munaf and Malinga in sides that were recently crap in terms of pace bowling.

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    Australia, simple as that.

    Pakistan have decent depth but are more for the future, England don't have as much depth IMO (from what we've seen so far anyway in the past 2 years) but their current main 4 can be deadly on their day.

    I reckon SA are second best though.
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    At the moment, its obviously Australia, but their dependence on McGrath could spell trouble once he retires. Second best is probably England right now, with Pakistan and South Africa tied at third. In the near future I expect Pakistan to go ahead of RSA and England due to the fact that our domestic structure is still churning out quality seamers. Not sure about RSA, but England's bench strength in this department isn't that impressive.
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    Hilfenhaus is ****ing awesome, so Australia for a while now.

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    Pakistan have the chance to be awesome. Akhtar, Asif, Gul and Naved is an awesome front-line attack, with Nazir and some youngsters in reserve.
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