Is Saurav Ganguly one of the greatest ODI batsmen ever ?

[FRAZ]

In ODIS:

Ganguly > Bevan, Gilchrist, Kallis, Inzamam, and Trescothick.

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Now thats a little over-statement !!
Bevan is the best of the lot that you just wrote and infact following can be their rating as "team's valueable player" .
Bevan>Inzamam>Kallis>Ganguly>Trescothick>Gilchrist!!

 

[Xuhaib]

In ODIS:

Ganguly > Bevan, Gilchrist, Kallis, Inzamam, and Trescothick.

In my opinion, he is a supreme batsman at one day level, and severely underated. In my opinion, he is only behind Zaheer Abbas, Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar and Mike Hussey in ODIs.

He surely is not at that level, though he may reach it if he maintains the standards for the next couple of years.

 

[silentstriker]

In ODIS:

Ganguly > Bevan, Gilchrist, Kallis, Inzamam, and Trescothick.

In my opinion, he is a supreme batsman at one day level, and severely underated. In my opinion, he is only behind Zaheer Abbas, Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar and Mike Hussey in ODIs.

Let's not declare Hussey the king of the universe just yet. Its Tendy-Viv-Bevan in the top tier. Ganguly would be in the next tier, along with people like Gilchrist and Abbas. Hussey is not in that tier yet either; he hasn't played enough.

One of the funniest thing about Hussey is that he averages 81 in ODI's but has a high score of 109*.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Hey, I'm never someone to over egg people, but Hussey is in my opinion, going to be one of the Great ODI players. It's a shame that he didn't get his chance earlier. I have seen him play shots that even The King couldn't.

 

[silentstriker]

Hey, I'm never someone to over egg people, but Hussey is in my opinion, going to be one of the Great ODI players. It's a shame that he didn't get his chance earlier. I have seen him play shots that even The King couldn't.

Highighted the most important part of your post. He's not there yet.

 

[Dravid]

In ODIS:

Ganguly > Bevan, Gilchrist, Kallis, Inzamam, and Trescothick.

In my opinion, he is a supreme batsman at one day level, and severely underated. In my opinion, he is only behind Zaheer Abbas, Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar and Mike Hussey in ODIs.

Thats a little pushing it. Ganguly is up there in the best, but not better than Bevan. imo Bevan is the greatest ODI batsman of all time, atm

 

[silentstriker]

Thats a little pushing it. Ganguly is up there in the best, but not better than Bevan. imo Bevan is the greatest ODI batsman of all time, atm

I would say:

1) Tendy/Viv
2) Bevan

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3) The second tier (Ponting, Ganguly, etc).

 

[Anil]

I would say:

1) Tendy/Viv
2) Bevan

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3) The second tier (Ponting, Ganguly, etc).

i'd say so too...but saying that to the bevan crowd more often than not just starts a never ending argument in the lines of a murali-warne or a tendy-lara....

 

[R_D]

I would say:

1) Tendy/Viv
2) Bevan

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3) The second tier (Ponting, Ganguly, etc).

Agree but Bevan is bit over-rated for mine..He played some great innings but he choked up middle part of Aus innings in too many games for my liking. Aus would be going at a decent rate and in comes bevan and runs would just dry up.

 

[Anil]

Agree but Bevan is bit over-rated for mine..He played some great innings but he choked up middle part of Aus innings in too many games for my liking. Aus would be going at a decent rate and in comes bevan and runs would just dry up.

he becomes overrated when they actually rate him above all-time cricketing legends like tendulkar and richards...and when they give way too much importance to an average inflated by a large number of not outs coming in the middle order of a strong batting line up, having said all that, he is definitely a one day specialist and has been a brilliant one day middle order bat for most of his career and has rescued australia in enough number of games to be up there right below the very best....

 

[adharcric]

The not-out-inflated batting average is one reason why I don't rate Bevan above or at the same level as Viv or Sachin, but still #3. IMO, batting at the top of the order is generally more difficult than coming in towards the middle or end. For this reason, the no. of 100s and 50s matters a good deal.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

The not-out-inflated batting average is one reason why I don't rate Bevan above or at the same level as Viv or Sachin, but still #3. IMO, batting at the top of the order is generally more difficult than coming in towards the middle or end. For this reason, the no. of 100s and 50s matters a good deal.

 

[adharcric]

 

[Sanz]

...too much importance to an average inflated by a large number of not outs coming in the middle order of a strong batting line up....

Bevan is one of the greatest ODI players every bit as good as Tendulkar and Viv if not better. There is a reason why Bevan is the only middle order ODI batsman with 50+ avg. And if it helps , Bevan out-averages Tendulkar in every batting position.

And lastly, Isn't Tendulkar's avg. inflated by his not outs, if one removes the not-outs Tendulkar's avg. slips to 40 ? Isn't Sachin's overall avg inflated because of his avg of 62 against Zim+Ken+namibia in 45 matches ?

 

[Jnr.]

Ganguly certainly is one of the greats of the ODI game. 22 ODI hundreds, that's a fair record! Second after Tendulkar in terms of hundreds. Regardless of his perceived weakness against the short ball, it's still an incredible record. I do wonder what he might have been if he didn't have that weakness.

 

[Sanz]

The not-out-inflated batting average is one reason why I don't rate Bevan above or at the same level as Viv or Sachin, but still #3. IMO, batting at the top of the order is generally more difficult than coming in towards the middle or end. For this reason, the no. of 100s and 50s matters a good deal.

Is that the reason why Tendulkar is so successful at other batting positions ? Or may be you will explain his avg. of 30 when he didn't open the innings.

 

[Anil]

Bevan is one of the greatest ODI players every bit as good as Tendulkar and Viv if not better. There is a reason why Bevan is the only middle order ODI batsman with 50+ avg. And if it helps , Bevan out-averages Tendulkar in every batting position.

And lastly, Isn't Tendulkar's avg. inflated by his not outs, if one removes the not-outs Tendulkar's avg. slips to 40 ? Isn't Sachin's overall avg inflated because of his avg of 62 against Zim+Ken+namibia in 45 matches ?

i've seen all three play....for me, there is really no comparison.....bevan had certain skills(really good pressure player, rotates the strike pretty well, exceptional running between the wickets, the occasional strokeful innings) and he applied them very well in one dayers and was very successful...the other two were absolute geniuses with the bat and dominated their respective eras....one of those situations where averages don't tell 1/5th the story....

 

[Sanz]

i've seen all three play....for me, there is really no comparison.....bevan had certain skills(really good pressure player, rotates the strike pretty well, exceptional running between the wickets, the occasional strokeful innings) and he applied them very well in one dayers and was very successful...the other two were absolute geniuses with the bat and dominated their respective eras....one of those situations where averages don't tell 1/5th the story....

To be honest, I am not talking only on the basis of his avg ? I have seen Bevan bat too and he was exceptional in what he did, he sure wasn't the batting genius and he did all that despite that and it makes him even better.

I dont care how Tendulkar dominated, but it wasn't enough to win on many occasions, but Bevan's efforts were.

 

[adharcric]

To be honest, I am not talking only on the basis of his avg ? I have seen Bevan bat too and he was exceptional in what he did, he sure wasn't the batting genius and he did all that despite that and it makes him even better.

I dont care how Tendulkar dominated, but it wasn't enough to win on many occasions, but Bevan's efforts were.

Right, Tendulkar always single-handedly lost the game for India and Bevan always single-handedly won the game for Australia. The fact that one team was far superior to the other has no relevance whatsoever. Oh, wait.

 

[Anil]

To be honest, I am not talking only on the basis of his avg ? I have seen Bevan bat too and he was exceptional in what he did, he sure wasn't the batting genius and he did all that despite that and it makes him even better.

I dont care how Tendulkar dominated, but it wasn't enough to win on many occasions, but Bevan's efforts were.

to a large extent, that's because of the teams they were in....bevan was part of a hugely better team(you would say bevan batted with the aussie tail on several occasions, even their tail had more wag to it than a lot of the weaker teams' middle orders...)....so was viv...tendulkar was a virtual one man show for a large part of the 90s and a lot of his efforts were in losing causes but that doesn't make them any less commendable...