What's Bracken done wrong

[luckyeddie]

My talent is waste-d here...

Not at all - don't be so long-winded though.

Aim to be compacter

/I cannot believe I wrote that either.

//or that

 

[Smudge]

Thanks for the ideas, skip.

 

[luckyeddie]

Thanks for the ideas, skip.

All that remains to be said is that I refuse to say any more - that was offal.

 

[tooextracool]

Rubbish. You call many players rubbish..

so i call many players rubbish, and considering the number of people i call rubbish, how many times has that come back to bite me in the a**?

It's bin a trademark of yours. Talking trash about the likes of Bracken, and how they should be given the sack. Here's a tip - I think Nnanden should refuse to talk to you.

oh you're a real riot, want me to give you a nickel?

 

[Smudge]

Exactly the response I expected from you, TEC.

And no money thanks, just a ray of sunshine from your cloudy world would suffice.

 

[luckyeddie]

or perhaps you simply cant handle the fact that im right far far more often than ive ever been wrong. and this despite the fact that i've gone on to call players like Bracken rubbish even after they've only played a couple of games.

IP check please

Files under Reasons why TEC and Richard are one and the same person #43

 

[Jono]

That was unbelievably similar to Richard actually.

 

[Richard]

Full outswingers. That was his go.

It was?
I rarely saw him swing much, and I saw him plenty in plenty of conditions.

 

[Richard]

That's what he has specialised in for his whole career.

Well he clearly didn't specialise too well in it, otherwise he'd have had more international success.

 

[Richard]

That was unbelievably similar to Richard actually.

Err, well I've actually said that several times.
And I was right to say it too.
I am right far more often than I'm wrong.
Why on Earth any fool would seriously (though, of course, being le it is hard to tell whether he is seriously being serious) believe myself and tec the same person I don't know.

 

[Richard]

He had 18 @ 30, before the final. Nothing special, but it's not as though he was getting belted everywhere. I think the response to Johnson's early selection has led people to overreact a bit and write him off. He's got a fair bit of talent, he's just not refined yet. His performances since the Australia A tour of Pakistan had been generally pretty encouraging, obviously the Pura Cup final most of all.

He gave an interview recently saying that he learnt a lot from touring with the Australian team and playing a couple of ODIs, and he used what he learnt in the last Pura Cup game. It will be interesting to see how much better he bowls in Bangladesh.

If he bowls.
Like I say - bowlers in the Johnson mould tend to get rather overhyped, and any small gains (such as a half-decent A-tour) tend to be overplayed. I'll wait until Johnson has more than 1 good game against a side facing 900 before getting too excited.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Well he clearly didn't specialise too well in it, otherwise he'd have had more international success.

Eh? He specialised in it at domestic level, and has been a consistent success with it for his whole career.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

If he bowls.
Like I say - bowlers in the Johnson mould tend to get rather overhyped, and any small gains (such as a half-decent A-tour) tend to be overplayed. I'll wait until Johnson has more than 1 good game against a side facing 900 before getting too excited.

That's fair enough, but there's a reason why guys like Johnson get hyped. Put simply, people see him and they say "wow, he's quick, has a good action, and swings it - he could be a good bowler". Then obviously if he gets some good results, there's more backing for that, and it's fair enough as well given that certain attributes make a player more likely to be an international success.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Well he clearly didn't specialise too well in it, otherwise he'd have had more international success.

I felt Bichel was a guy who bowled outswingers very well with a new ball, but didn't have the ability to keep it swinging for as long as a Damien Fleming, nor adjust all that well once it stopped, for the international level of cricket.

It'd be interesting to see how many times, and what his statistics are like, when he opened the bowling for Australia, as opposed to bowl first change.

 

[Richard]

Eh? He specialised in it at domestic level, and has been a consistent success with it for his whole career.

That's as maybe - but if he was really that good at it, he'd have had more success at Test and ODI level.
I've seen him pretty extensively, and he almost invariably looks like more of a seam than swing bowler to me. Don't know about earlier in his career.

 

[Richard]

That's fair enough, but there's a reason why guys like Johnson get hyped. Put simply, people see him and they say "wow, he's quick, has a good action, and swings it - he could be a good bowler". Then obviously if he gets some good results, there's more backing for that, and it's fair enough as well given that certain attributes make a player more likely to be an international success.

I think most people look at most young bowlers and say "he could be a good bowler". Look at Plunkett, who has so far done little or nothing of note, by-and-large bowling complete rubbish.
If bowlers spray it around enough, they rarely amount to anything. Too many people ignore inaccuracy in young bowlers, assuming it'll get better. And in fact, it does so much less often than more. Most of the good bowlers tend to be pretty accurate from the very start of their careers. Not neccessarily as accurate as they are later, but not Johnson-Plunkett inaccurate.
Plus - as mentioned in Johnson's CricInfo profile - just the unearthing of a left-arm seamer tends to create a good deal of excitement in Australia.

 

[Richard]

I felt Bichel was a guy who bowled outswingers very well with a new ball, but didn't have the ability to keep it swinging for as long as a Damien Fleming, nor adjust all that well once it stopped, for the international level of cricket.

It'd be interesting to see how many times, and what his statistics are like, when he opened the bowling for Australia, as opposed to bowl first change.

Did Bichel ever open the bowling in a Test?
Actually - yes, on debut (when just 2 seamers played) with McGrath, and then, remarkably, ahead of Reiffel in the next game.
Only bowled 18 overs (for 1 wicket) in the 1st game, and took 18-79-0 in the 2nd.
Then opened again with his long-time Queensland partner on the Adelaide pancake of 1997\98, where only Pollock (and MacGill in the second-innings with SA chasing quick runs) got decent figures.
After those initial 3 isolated Tests, he didn't once in his 2000\01-2003\04 career.