*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion - Page 2

King_Ponting · 04-11-2005, 01:09 AM

Warne cause hes the only bowler out of the two.

luckyeddie · 04-11-2005, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Does this mean we'll only have to see AMZ and his notepad file in one thread?

No, he's a film buff too.

marc71178 · 04-11-2005, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Ponting

Warne cause hes the only bowler out of the two.

It only took 16 posts

Smudge · 04-11-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

It only took 16 posts

A lot longer than I expected.

SJS · 04-11-2005, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Ponting

Warne cause hes the only bowler out of the two.

Where does it say its about bowling ?

age_master · 04-11-2005, 02:43 AM

Warne becuase:

1) he doesn't chuck his wrongun. (im not going to comment on the rest)

2) hes far more dangerous on the majority of the pitches in the world (the ones that don't help spin) .

3) his bowling is keeps getting better and better, hes always looking for ways to improve.

4) better cricket brain overall.

Shoaib · 04-11-2005, 03:11 AM

Its pure rubbish that Warne is more dangerous on wickets that don't assist spinners because its legendary Muttiah Muralitharan who can spin on every track & gets most of his wickets on them.Murali is better than Warne because Warne has most of times been crap in the absence of McGrath.Warne takes lot of wickets because he gets support of fine fast bowlers but Murali is always under more pressure because he alone has to do the job for his team due to the lack of good quality bowlers.Even if we suppose for a moment that Warne is more useful on non-supporting wickets(which he is not),then before rating him above Murali,place Imran Khan,Waqar Younis,Wasim Akram,Shoaib Akhtar,Sarfaraz Nawaz,Sikander Bakht & Fazal Mahmood miles above McGrath,Marshall,Ambrose,Lillee & Hadlee because they played for the most of their careers on wickets which are known as graveyard for fast bowlers.By the end of his career "The Little Magician" will be 100s of miles ahead any other spinner.Of course,Warne & Murali both are great bowlers but Murali is ahead of Warne.

King_Ponting · 04-11-2005, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SJS

Where does it say its about bowling ?

It doesnt, im just saying warne is greater than murali because he is the onlybowler and a far better batsman than murali.

shaka · 04-11-2005, 03:36 AM

I think Warne is better at thinking of ways to dismiss batsman and places more fear into the eyes of batters, and with fear comes a bigger likelyhood of wickets.

SJS · 04-11-2005, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Ponting

It doesnt, im just saying warne is greater than murali because he is the onlybowler and a far better batsman than murali.

You got me that time

vic_orthdox · 04-11-2005, 03:48 AM

From what I've seen, Murali was a better bowler before he really got that doosra to go big - when it was more of a "topspinner" than a "wrong-un" as his variation. He seemed - to me, anyways - to try and out-think the batsman more, now he just sets them up for the doosra.

Just wondering, do Murali's stats improve or get worse when Vaas isn't playing? I wouldn't be suprised if they improved, because he's more used to having the attack riding on him in the role he plays. I think it's unfair in a way to judge Warne on something that he doesn't have to do the majority of the time - play without McGrath.

And under the same logic, I think it explains why the argument that "Warne doesn't get to play on turning pitches" that often doesn't really hold that much weight for mine. Your a product of your beginnings, and Warne did all of his junior bowling on Australian pitches - thus his game is more suited, generally, to the bounce of Australian pitches. Just as Murali is more suited, as such, to turning pitches - but the man can turn it on glass

Just some thoughts for debate, I guess.

Robertinho · 04-11-2005, 04:06 AM

Warne vs Murali? I think the real question is McNamara vs Warne & Murali...

Keep it civil..

chaminda_00 · 04-11-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robertinho

Warne vs Murali? I think the real question is McNamara vs Warne & Murali...

Keep it civil..

Thats a non contest though, McNamara is 10 times better then either of them

luckyeddie · 04-11-2005, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chaminda_00

Thats a non contest though, McNamara is 10 times better then either of them

Exactly.

McNamara is the New Giles - and that's just raised the bar right to the top.

vic_orthdox · 04-11-2005, 04:31 AM

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Thats a non contest though, McNamara is 10 times better then either of them

Not even onto 30 posts and I'm already inclined to close the thread...

04-11-2005, 02:43 AM	#21 (permalink)
age_master Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 15,777	Warne becuase: 1) he doesn't chuck his wrongun. (im not going to comment on the rest) 2) hes far more dangerous on the majority of the pitches in the world (the ones that don't help spin) . 3) his bowling is keeps getting better and better, hes always looking for ways to improve. 4) better cricket brain overall. __________________ Member of CW Green Kerry O'Keefe - Worlds funniest Commentator

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shaka International Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: auckland NZ Posts: 3,045	I think Warne is better at thinking of ways to dismiss batsman and places more fear into the eyes of batters, and with fear comes a bigger likelyhood of wickets. __________________ winner of formula 1 prediction thread 2005 competition and look forward to next year shakaSaulo@cricketmail.net

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Robertinho Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Testing Forums into the Sunset Posts: 8,442	Warne vs Murali? I think the real question is McNamara vs Warne & Murali... Keep it civil.. __________________ "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

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King_Ponting International Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,043	Warne cause hes the only bowler out of the two.

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Shoaib Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pakistan Posts: 405	Its pure rubbish that Warne is more dangerous on wickets that don't assist spinners because its legendary Muttiah Muralitharan who can spin on every track & gets most of his wickets on them.Murali is better than Warne because Warne has most of times been crap in the absence of McGrath.Warne takes lot of wickets because he gets support of fine fast bowlers but Murali is always under more pressure because he alone has to do the job for his team due to the lack of good quality bowlers.Even if we suppose for a moment that Warne is more useful on non-supporting wickets(which he is not),then before rating him above Murali,place Imran Khan,Waqar Younis,Wasim Akram,Shoaib Akhtar,Sarfaraz Nawaz,Sikander Bakht & Fazal Mahmood miles above McGrath,Marshall,Ambrose,Lillee & Hadlee because they played for the most of their careers on wickets which are known as graveyard for fast bowlers.By the end of his career "The Little Magician" will be 100s of miles ahead any other spinner.Of course,Warne & Murali both are great bowlers but Murali is ahead of Warne.

04-11-2005, 03:48 AM	#26 (permalink)
vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,363	From what I've seen, Murali was a better bowler before he really got that doosra to go big - when it was more of a "topspinner" than a "wrong-un" as his variation. He seemed - to me, anyways - to try and out-think the batsman more, now he just sets them up for the doosra. Just wondering, do Murali's stats improve or get worse when Vaas isn't playing? I wouldn't be suprised if they improved, because he's more used to having the attack riding on him in the role he plays. I think it's unfair in a way to judge Warne on something that he doesn't have to do the majority of the time - play without McGrath. And under the same logic, I think it explains why the argument that "Warne doesn't get to play on turning pitches" that often doesn't really hold that much weight for mine. Your a product of your beginnings, and Warne did all of his junior bowling on Australian pitches - thus his game is more suited, generally, to the bounce of Australian pitches. Just as Murali is more suited, as such, to turning pitches - but the man can turn it on glass Just some thoughts for debate, I guess.

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