Temperament, from what I've heard through my sources. Not to mention an angled bat to the short stuff. He had a good year, yes, but this year's pitches were pretty flat and he played half of his games on Bellerive, probably the most lifeless pitch in the country.
Would surely have nothing to do with flat pitches, would it?
Well you get as many flat pitches, if not more in Test Cricket as well, what ur point??Top_Cat said:
My point is that bowlers have struggled at domestic and international level in general because of the plethora of flat pitches around. The top-level bowlers have bowled well as usual but largely, there have been more big scores in the last couple of years. The point being, the big scores at domestic level, like those at international level, say more about how flat pitches have been than quality of bowling at either level. You're saying that the domstic players' scores are more a function of the quality Australian bowlers and I'm saying the evidence for that is a bit scant and that it's more likely to be due to the lack of sporting wickets.
I disagree that he never corrected them. Sorry but you don't score 18,500 runs @ 58 in Australia and England in domestic cricket if you can't play the short ball. His weakness against it was massively overblown and whatever problems he had with it earlier in his career he certainly corrected later on.Prince EWS said:
I'd say Lee, Tait, Bracken, Bichel is a pretty fair sort of a back-up for pace bowling actually, and every other country in the world would be happy to have such a "paucity". Throw in your middle of the road bowlers in Australian domestic cricket like Lewis, Wright, Rofe, Williams, Griffith, Dawes, Nicholson, Clarke and you've got a decent pack of pace bowlers involved in Australian domestic cricket. Not all of them are test class, but they don't have to be, and they are certainly a cut above what everyone else in the world faces when playing first class cricket at home. The one area which is distinctly weak in Australian domestic cricket at the moment is spin bowling, where only Macgill (54 @ 24.66) and Cullen (43 @ 30.73) had good years last year. Still, Australia isn't alone there considering several nations can't even muster one decent spinner for their test side (South Africa and West Indies spring to mind), let alone a bunch of them at home.marc71178 said:
Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt Bevan have a great FC record even when he WAS playing test matches...
TBF i would say it better then the England back up, Anderson, Lewis, Trendett and Mahmood and the back up of any other county. Pakistan are probably the only one that come close when it comes to back up.marc71178 said:
yet its laughable to state that they are anywhere close to the no 2 attack in the world today.chaminda_00 said:
nooooooooo way mate......... How can you say an australian 2nd XI is better than this current England bowling attack. Firstly Harmison on top form is better than all those aussie 2nd choice fast bowlers that have played test cricket, Lee definately has not yet done anything special in test cricket though that will surely come to an end soon.King_Ponting said:
no one never said eng;and is classed has a great bowling attack, but you must agree that its england's bowlers performances over the last 12 months that have put them in the position they are right now in test cricket. England is the only team where their bowling attack has worked has a unit similar to how australia works.nookie_lk said:
There close but England and Pakistan shade, Pakistan in out and out quality and England in depth.tooextracool said:
no they're not. its simply insane to suggest that bracken test average of 60, tait- never played a test, brett lee averaging 40 over the last few years and macgill are anywhere near the other bowling attacks.chaminda_00 said:
Well consider England is made of a side that has 5 bowlers who all average over 30 aganist proper teams and Pakistan top bowling side contain two bowler who also are unproven at the top level and Ahktar who is as up and down as Brett Lee. Also it is very likely that Razzaq and Afridi will be part of their top 5 bowlers and either Gul or Shabbir wont be in the side. With those two in then Pakistan get even closer to a possible Australia A. I don't think it is as insane as you think. But granted i did say that they were below.tooextracool said:
thats garbage, because lee and co average around 40 against the same teams. bracken averages 60.chaminda_00 said:
yet he averages 24, lee averages 40.chaminda_00 said:
hurrah the Aussie A bowlers are better than part timers!chaminda_00 said:
That even bigger garbage who averages 40 that played more then 4 games:tooextracool said:
