He's been really ar$e of late, IIRC his career FC bowling average is a shade over 40 now.Corbin said:From the english spinners i no...
1 Giles
2 Batty
3 Dawson
Wateva happened to dawson havent seen him play since ashes here in AUS
All the spinners did really well in the Twenty20, Mongia being helped by bowling at OT and benefiting from a tail implosion at one point, IIRC.honestbharani said:Didn't Dinesh Mongia have the best economy rate at some point during the 20-20 last year in England?
And if Warne is gonna buy a home in England, shouldn't he be the best spinner in England?
Seriously, amongst the guys I have seen, I rate Giles. Croft and Batty were just crap.
it is a well known fact that giles doesn't turn the ball very much in non-helpful conditions. it is just that he is impeccably accurate which other spinners like salisbury etc (who turned it more than him) cant even dream of beingLink said:have to say that i was been impressed with Dawson last season. He has changed is action quite a lot for some reason and he was turning it (more that Giles), on most pitches. He was someone i kept my eye on last season and he bowled well, even tightly in the totesport league.
However i cant admit to being a prolific Yorkshire supporter
Interesting. So in other words, no spinners are any good, if fingerspin is universally useless with covered wickets and wristspin is almost impossible to bowl? Anyway, Harbhajan, Saqlain and Vettori are evidence that fingerspin is still valuable. Dan Cullen, a 20 year old fingerspinner in Australia, just finished taking 22 wickets @ 18 in his last three FC matches in his debut season as well, and you know what Australian pitches are like in terms of giving fingerspinners assistance. It's far from a dead art.Richard said:The only time England will ever produce "World-beating" spinners is if they either start producing an abundance of spin-friendly pitches or manage to find a high-class wristspinner. But given that wristspin is almost impossible to bowl to county, never mind international, standard, I'll be thanking my lucky stars if it happens.
Richard said:if Giles or Croft played at Northlands Road, the only really spin-friendly square in the country, their First-Class averages would probably be in the 27-28 region.
But Warne's a wristspinner.12th Man said:The fact that there are very few spinning english pitches gives the mian reason why there are few quality spinners. But look at warne, the mcg isn't a very good spinning track
No, Harbhajan and Saqlain are evidence that fingerspin with a Doosra is even more effective than normal fingerspin on a turning pitch; and they are evidence that even fingerspin with a Doosra is no use on a non-turner - as you'll see by their records on non-turners.FaaipDeOiad said:Interesting. So in other words, no spinners are any good, if fingerspin is universally useless with covered wickets and wristspin is almost impossible to bowl? Anyway, Harbhajan, Saqlain and Vettori are evidence that fingerspin is still valuable.
And I hardly think it's likely Cullen will amount to anything. It's possibly just first-season-flattery that happens so often.Dan Cullen, a 20 year old fingerspinner in Australia, just finished taking 22 wickets @ 18 in his last three FC matches in his debut season as well, and you know what Australian pitches are like in terms of giving fingerspinners assistance. It's far from a dead art.
How can u say that, maybe its true, but its too early to say because from what i can remember i dont think the great shane warne had a superb debut season for victoria back in 1990/91 season it was in his second season in 1991/92 when he impressed the aussie selectors and made his debut againts india. But its too early to say what cullen could become, if he falls away horrible over the next couple of seasons well then i'll accept that commentRichard said:And I hardly think it's likely Cullen will amount to anything. It's possibly just first-season-flattery that happens so often.
Traditionally, Australia doesn't produce many good fingerspinners. The dynamic has always been that wristspinners come from Australia (O'Reilly, Grimmett, Benaud, Warne etc) and fingerspinners come from England (Verity, Laker, Underwood etc). The last time Australia had a fingerspinner I would consider "good" was probably Tim May, but he was only good, not great. The last time Australia had a "great" fingerspinner was probably never. However, this is irrelevant to Cullen, who I think is a pretty fine bowler. He's not likely to take 500 wickets at 20 in tests or anything, but he's a talent.Richard said:One rather important difference.
Warne is a wristspinner, Cullen a fingerspinner.
Go on then - when was the last time Australia had a good fingerspinner?
Yes he is a talent, but its too soon to judge him a prdict what kind of future they could have but its an impressive start for the lad and for aussie fans like us, his emergence could argue well for australia for once having a finger spinner that could challenge the world is an intersting prospectFaaipDeOiad said:However, this is irrelevant to Cullen, who I think is a pretty fine bowler. He's not likely to take 500 wickets at 20 in tests or anything, but he's a talent.