Australia name Chappell-Hadlee Trophy squad

[Eclipse]

Personally I think he needs to be a better bowler than he is - and I don't know that that's possible.

I have kind of concluded this too..

talking to some expert coaches they all seem to think Lee's problem is his trajectory being to low.. meaning in that he come's onto the bat and is easy to drive.. that and his obviouse obsession with bowling utter crap..

I's a pitty because he has obvious skill in swinging the ball out and reverse and he bowls a good off cutter but it's all useless atm..

 

[Mr Casson]

He's not useless... That's just taking things way too far.

 

[Eclipse]

he's a threat with the new and old ball if he bowls good line and lengths.. thats all...

and against some players he can burst them out with pace but not quality ones

 

[Hoggy31]

Doesn't Hogg also bat quite well. I remember once he got 81 and was not out, I think, as well as beating Hayden with the bat.

yep... look at his 2004 county season with the bat

FC: M:12, I:13, N.O:3, R:706, H.S:158, Ave:70.60, S.R:97.78, 50's:7, 100's:1

OD: M:18, I:16, N.O:4, R:467, H.S:94*, Ave:38.91, S.R:103.77, 50's:2

and his FC bowling wasnt that good but his OD bowling was pretty good

OD: M:18, O:129.1, M:5, R:567, W:23, Ave:24.65, BB:5-23, 5w:1 SR:33.6, Eco:4.38

 

[Crazy Sam]

Just thinking about the squad for a bit. Australia were the first team to select a seperate One day squad from test squad, but now their squad almost is identical to the test squad. With the exception of Watson all 14 players have played a test match in the last 18 months.

i've thought this for a year now...I think it says a lot about the quality of the current side and their attacking nature in tests that they can also compete as successfully together in one dayers.


BTW I believe Symonds will/should bat at number 5 where he has batted successfully for the past two years. Clarke will play at number 7 i reckon.

As for the number 8 spot, it is a four-way race between Hogg, Watson, Lee and Katich. I think it will depend on what the pitch is like as to which one gets picked. It also won't surprise me if 3 or 4 of them get a run in Brisbane should the Aussies win both the first two games.

 

[Richard]

I have kind of concluded this too..

talking to some expert coaches they all seem to think Lee's problem is his trajectory being to low.. meaning in that he come's onto the bat and is easy to drive.. that and his obviouse obsession with bowling utter crap..

I's a pitty because he has obvious skill in swinging the ball out and reverse and he bowls a good off cutter but it's all useless atm..

Low trajectory is a problem many bowlers have\had - Darren Gough has often been a bit floaty and hittable when he's not swinging the ball (no-one, even Gough, can swing it all the time), Matthew Hoggard is exactly the same.
For the very, very best, they use it to their advantage, with accuracy that is exceptional. Malcolm Marshall being the best example. But it's no coincidence that, in the last 3-and-a-half decades, most of the best seamers have been tall (Holding, Garner, Croft, Roberts, Lillee, Hadlee, Imran [though he wasn't a giant IIRR], Fraser, Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, McGrath, the list goes on...)
You have to have exceptional accuracy to gain success with a low trajectory - especially in Australia, with abrasive pitches and outfields where the ball gets scuffed quicker than some other places - and, sadly for Lee, he doesn't have that. Certainly not when bowling in matches (they say he can knock a tuppence off a stump every time in nets...)

 

[Eclipse]

he is very accurate in the nets.. I have seen him out bowl McGrath and Gillespie in the nets and hit 1 stump consistantly..

I have no idea why he cant do that in matches. Part of it I think is he just does not have the patience and the other is that he can let one bad abll go to his head and he trys really hard to bowl the batsman out the next ball and often sparys it or in the case of a yorker just gets it slightly wrong and it's a half volly..

you will notice when he starts getting smashed it only ever gets worse never better..

 

[Arjun]

What's your opinion of Lee's batting? He had hit a fast 50 against the Kiwis in a partnership with Gilchrist, then in the VB series, he hit a rapid 50 against the South Africans, hitting four sixes off Allan Donald. Experts say he takes his batting seriously.

 

[Eclipse]

As a batsman Lee can hit with the best of them.. he probably needs to face a few balls and get one in the middle of the bat first but beleive me not many cricketers if any can swing the bat as fast as Lee.. I am talking seriouse bat speed.

He has still hit the biggest six I have ever seen.. but he can only play the quicks unlike most low order players / tailenders who can only hit spinners..

 

[Crazy Sam]

Bichel is certainly Australia's best 'specialist' bowler when it comes to batting, though I personally do consider him an all-rounder. Lee's batting is extremely inconsistent but when he latches on to them they go flying. Some of the shots he made in a test a few years ago were superb. If you were to pick any bowler with a little bit of batting in mind then I would pick Bichel ahead of Lee.

I least like watching Gillespie bat because he is so defensive but that is what makes him such a good number 9/10. His running in the wickets is hilarious though.

 

[Eclipse]

Yeah Bichel is a better batsman but Lee can hit them harder.. but Bichel is quite a good hitter to..

 

[Eclipse]

And I like watching Gillespie bat because I appreciate the concerntration and defensive techneque he has.

 

[Crazy Sam]

Gillespie's block shot is a thousand times better than the poor efforts that Richardson, Sinclair and Fleming managed in the tests.

 

[Eclipse]

yeah i know.. kinda why he has the nick name "the walking forward defence" amoung other's..

 

[marc71178]

WC2003 championed countless numbers of players like Hogg

So it championed those that performed well - what a farce

Just because you don't like the people or don't rate them, it doesn't mean that they're useless.

 

[marc71178]

A fair bit in ODIs would be at least an over or two per match IMO. Quite a few ODIs can go by without Clarke bowling a single ball.

And that would make sense to me - no point using him if the conditions don't help.

 

[marc71178]

lol yeah hes crap in ODI's isn't he

Of course he is, because Richard has said so!

 

[marc71178]

As for the number 8 spot, it is a four-way race between Hogg, Watson, Lee and Katich. I think it will depend on what the pitch is like as to which one gets picked. It also won't surprise me if 3 or 4 of them get a run in Brisbane should the Aussies win both the first two games.

Hmm, can't see Katich going in at 8.

 

[Richard]

So it championed those that performed well - what a farce

Just because you don't like the people or don't rate them, it doesn't mean that they're useless.

No, it doesn't - but plenty of them were either poor before that and\or have been poor since. Which, funnily, is why I don't rate them.

 

[age_master]

Hmm, can't see Katich going in at 8.

if Australia takes out the first 2 games he will open (depending on who the rest) in the 3rd im thinking, dont think he has much of a chance of playing apart from that.