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Scaly piscine · 18-10-2006, 06:06 AM

Oh well I posted about the collapses in the Q&A #6? thread in England sledging board, fat lot of good it'll do. Perhaps if I point out that tailenders are ridiculously useless by giving lots of stats it'll help indirectly. Must be a few other people here who have woefuls and feebles who average stupid amounts like 1.50 and 3.7odd.

Johnners · 18-10-2006, 06:32 AM

Yeah... it's quite annoying tbh.... even got a mediocre who's average is only 9.....

Mahindinho · 18-10-2006, 06:38 AM

Bugger. Wrote loads and then lost it all

Here goes again...

Right. I can see where Allan's coming from with the collapses being part of the game.

BT isn't real life. It's an approximation, but some things just can't be done the same.

In real cricket, even the most one-dimensional bowler works on his batting. A raw 17yo no.11 might even become a passable no.8 or 9 given a few years. Glenn McGrath himself was probably abysmal when he started out, but is now at least feeble!

In Battrick, however, you're not going to give a precious batting net to a 17yo woeful bat, no matter how good his bowling is. So he's always going to be rubbish.

Okay, so experience plays a part, but that's there in BT too.

But what can Allan do? Introduce half-nets? You can't go around giving bowlers better batting stats, as that just wouldn't work - no-one would pull a batsman ever again!

Perhaps you could assign a net to be spread around "all who played the last match"? Mind you, not sure how useful 9% of a week's training is going to be.

Besides which, bowlers get added concentration when their consistency gets trained. Batsmen get added consistency, but that's useless - for example, Sandwith, my remarkable/remarkable bat, has superb consistency, but that's wasted as he's only got abysmal bowling. I was tempted to train him up as an all-rounder, but figured that it just wasn't worth it.

Mahindinho · 18-10-2006, 06:41 AM

Thinking about it, we already have sports psychologists who attend net sessions. How about "supplementary batting coaches" who attend bowling sessions? They'd provide some (maybe 25%?) batting training, at the expense of your bowler not getting any consistency training.

I do think that's a bit "artificial" though.

Bobisback · 18-10-2006, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mahindinho

Glenn McGrath himself was probably abysmal when he started out, but is now at least feeble!

Scaly piscine · 18-10-2006, 06:54 AM

McGrath is coming up effectively against elite bowlers tho. The experience argument doesn't wash because it's rubbish experience versus rubbish experience.

Put him against the proficient bowlers and he'll average 10+ easily.

Adamc · 18-10-2006, 06:59 AM

The problem isn't confined to tailenders. It's not uncommon to see five or six competent/respectable type batsmen go down for <10 runs, especially in the last 10 overs. The strange thing is that it's also not uncommon to see crap batsmen last a long time against much better bowlers during the middle overs. There's clearly a problem there. Allan should either say 'yes, there is a problem with collapses, but this isn't meant to mirror real life and it's not going to be changed', or 'yes, there's a problem and it will be fixed', rather than denying outright that there is a problem.

PY · 18-10-2006, 07:19 AM

Well my cup draw has changed and I now have:

Jai Hind
Top Order: quality
Middle Order: mediocre
Lower Order: worthless
Seam Bowling: remarkable
Spin Bowling: competent
Fielding: mediocre

My ratings on TIE:

Strong
Competent
Abysmal
Respectable
Respectable
Feeble

Need some serious advice, both my games this weekend are at home for reference.

First against:

Men who play with balls
Top Order: strong
Middle Order: competent
Lower Order: abysmal
Seam Bowling: proficient
Spin Bowling: respectable
Fielding: woeful

Was supposed to be playing these lot twice in cup & league so had begun changing my pitch to hard & fast and backed my gun bats to do the job. However, it only got to Green thus far.

Second game I'm thinking that my spin is better than theirs but their seam is way better & batting is 2 levels better too. They have two gun bats (remarkable+) at 2 & 3. Do I go with the dusty pitch which might help my spinners but clashes with what I want on the Friday game? Or do I go uneven/cracked and hope that something crazy happens and 2&3 get out and then I'm into prof & worse?

How long do pitch changes take approximately? Gah, stupid changed cup draws..

Scaly piscine · 18-10-2006, 07:36 AM

If your gun guys have more attacking temperaments I'd go with hard & fast. That remarkable seam bowling is going to kill you on most other pitches.

PY · 18-10-2006, 07:40 AM

Well Chanderpaul (remarkable) is destructive, and so's Singh who's going to be my pinch hitter, though others are steady.

Chanders is key though so that makes sense though it's Wednesday (obviously

) and it's only at green so will it make H&F?

Scaly piscine · 18-10-2006, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PY

Well Chanderpaul (remarkable) is destructive, and so's Singh who's going to be my pinch hitter, though others are steady.

Chanders is key though so that makes sense though it's Wednesday (obviously

) and it's only at green so will it make H&F?

Just in case I was unclear I meant about the gun bats for the cup game against the remarkable seam. H&F is next to green in the changes so it only takes 1-2 days to change from one to the other.

I lost on an uber-flat pitch cause some complete donkey scored a quick 100.

PY · 18-10-2006, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

Just in case I was unclear I meant about the gun bats for the cup game against the remarkable seam. H&F is next to green in the changes so it only takes 1-2 days to change from one to the other.

I lost on an uber-flat pitch cause some complete donkey scored a quick 100.

What do you reckon about the Friday game then? Was my logic wrong about going for a H&F for that game?

I assumed they weren't far off so H&F for both? Guess the Friday one is slightly more open-ended because the ratings difference is only one level on one part.

Going for normal I reckon on both.

Scaly piscine · 18-10-2006, 07:56 AM

May as well just do the same on Friday I guess H & F, hope for a 300+ fest and have your destructive and attacking guys score most of the runs so you win. I'd be careful with Singh tho, the game might just decide that he'll score a bizarrely slow 50 off 90 balls or something if he's much below the bowlers skill - Adam should have experience of that with his Vimesh Malik.

Adamc · 18-10-2006, 08:12 AM

Yeah, it's not really possible to give someone a pinch hitter role in BT. Malik is destructive but rarely scores quickly because of his relatively low batting skill. Career SR is ~67. Think his slowest was a 10 off about 50 balls from no. 3 which effectively lost me the game. Still use him up the order occasionally against weaker teams or when I'm worried about collapsing. He gets out for ducks a lot though, probably to do with his temperament.

Jungle Jumbo · 18-10-2006, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyc

Can you post their wages, JJ? That's really the only way to tell

Sure can Andy.

10. Saurav **** - 18 yo, BT Rating=19,558
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, sublime
A steady player with proficient leadership skills and woeful experience.
Stamina: proficient Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: strong Concentration: proficient
Bowling: worthless Consistency: worthless
Fielding: feeble
2x batting, 1x fielding, wage £2,587

7. Ashwatthama Singh - 18 yo, BT Rating=6,347
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, sublime
An attacking player with woeful leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: mediocre Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: abysmal Concentration: worthless
Bowling: respectable Consistency: mediocre
Fielding: worthless
1x bowling, 1x fitness, wage £858

18. Walter Beckwith - 18 yo, BT Rating=4,239
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, sublime
A steady player with feeble leadership skills and abysmal experience.
Stamina: mediocre Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: worthless Concentration: worthless
Bowling: competent Consistency: mediocre
Fielding: worthless
1x bowling, wage £446

Cheers.

18-10-2006, 06:06 AM	#31 (permalink)
Scaly piscine Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East England Posts: 18,546	Oh well I posted about the collapses in the Q&A #6? thread in England sledging board, fat lot of good it'll do. Perhaps if I point out that tailenders are ridiculously useless by giving lots of stats it'll help indirectly. Must be a few other people here who have woefuls and feebles who average stupid amounts like 1.50 and 3.7odd. __________________ National Scrabble Champion 2009, 8th in 2009 World Championships, gold medal (team) at Causeway, 2011 Masters Champion 24 Hour Scrabble World Record Attempt for Charity, in aid of Daisy Chain and End Polio Now Countdown Series 57 Champion King of the Arcade Reply from mods to my prank bans in public: Reply from mods to my prank bans in private: MSN - evil_budgie @ hotmail.co.uk

18-10-2006, 07:19 AM	#38 (permalink)
PY International Coach Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 10,736	Well my cup draw has changed and I now have: Jai Hind Top Order: quality Middle Order: mediocre Lower Order: worthless Seam Bowling: remarkable Spin Bowling: competent Fielding: mediocre My ratings on TIE: Strong Competent Abysmal Respectable Respectable Feeble Need some serious advice, both my games this weekend are at home for reference. First against: Men who play with balls Top Order: strong Middle Order: competent Lower Order: abysmal Seam Bowling: proficient Spin Bowling: respectable Fielding: woeful Was supposed to be playing these lot twice in cup & league so had begun changing my pitch to hard & fast and backed my gun bats to do the job. However, it only got to Green thus far. Second game I'm thinking that my spin is better than theirs but their seam is way better & batting is 2 levels better too. They have two gun bats (remarkable+) at 2 & 3. Do I go with the dusty pitch which might help my spinners but clashes with what I want on the Friday game? Or do I go uneven/cracked and hope that something crazy happens and 2&3 get out and then I'm into prof & worse? How long do pitch changes take approximately? Gah, stupid changed cup draws.. __________________ A True Champion - Bob. Rest in peace. 15/04/06 "People today have too big a devil and too small a God" - Stephen Currie "The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?" Psalm 27:1

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18-10-2006, 06:38 AM	#33 (permalink)
Mahindinho State Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 1,230	Bugger. Wrote loads and then lost it all Here goes again... Right. I can see where Allan's coming from with the collapses being part of the game. BT isn't real life. It's an approximation, but some things just can't be done the same. In real cricket, even the most one-dimensional bowler works on his batting. A raw 17yo no.11 might even become a passable no.8 or 9 given a few years. Glenn McGrath himself was probably abysmal when he started out, but is now at least feeble! In Battrick, however, you're not going to give a precious batting net to a 17yo woeful bat, no matter how good his bowling is. So he's always going to be rubbish. Okay, so experience plays a part, but that's there in BT too. But what can Allan do? Introduce half-nets? You can't go around giving bowlers better batting stats, as that just wouldn't work - no-one would pull a batsman ever again! Perhaps you could assign a net to be spread around "all who played the last match"? Mind you, not sure how useful 9% of a week's training is going to be. Besides which, bowlers get added concentration when their consistency gets trained. Batsmen get added consistency, but that's useless - for example, Sandwith, my remarkable/remarkable bat, has superb consistency, but that's wasted as he's only got abysmal bowling. I was tempted to train him up as an all-rounder, but figured that it just wasn't worth it.

18-10-2006, 06:41 AM	#34 (permalink)
Mahindinho State Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 1,230	Thinking about it, we already have sports psychologists who attend net sessions. How about "supplementary batting coaches" who attend bowling sessions? They'd provide some (maybe 25%?) batting training, at the expense of your bowler not getting any consistency training. I do think that's a bit "artificial" though.

18-10-2006, 06:54 AM	#36 (permalink)
Scaly piscine Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East England Posts: 18,546	McGrath is coming up effectively against elite bowlers tho. The experience argument doesn't wash because it's rubbish experience versus rubbish experience. Put him against the proficient bowlers and he'll average 10+ easily.

18-10-2006, 06:59 AM	#37 (permalink)
Adamc Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: in the wind, so to speak Posts: 9,129	The problem isn't confined to tailenders. It's not uncommon to see five or six competent/respectable type batsmen go down for <10 runs, especially in the last 10 overs. The strange thing is that it's also not uncommon to see crap batsmen last a long time against much better bowlers during the middle overs. There's clearly a problem there. Allan should either say 'yes, there is a problem with collapses, but this isn't meant to mirror real life and it's not going to be changed', or 'yes, there's a problem and it will be fixed', rather than denying outright that there is a problem.

18-10-2006, 07:36 AM	#39 (permalink)
Scaly piscine Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East England Posts: 18,546	If your gun guys have more attacking temperaments I'd go with hard & fast. That remarkable seam bowling is going to kill you on most other pitches.

18-10-2006, 07:40 AM	#40 (permalink)
PY International Coach Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 10,736	Well Chanderpaul (remarkable) is destructive, and so's Singh who's going to be my pinch hitter, though others are steady. Chanders is key though so that makes sense though it's Wednesday (obviously ) and it's only at green so will it make H&F?

18-10-2006, 07:56 AM	#43 (permalink)
Scaly piscine Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East England Posts: 18,546	May as well just do the same on Friday I guess H & F, hope for a 300+ fest and have your destructive and attacking guys score most of the runs so you win. I'd be careful with Singh tho, the game might just decide that he'll score a bizarrely slow 50 off 90 balls or something if he's much below the bowlers skill - Adam should have experience of that with his Vimesh Malik.

18-10-2006, 08:12 AM	#44 (permalink)
Adamc Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: in the wind, so to speak Posts: 9,129	Yeah, it's not really possible to give someone a pinch hitter role in BT. Malik is destructive but rarely scores quickly because of his relatively low batting skill. Career SR is ~67. Think his slowest was a 10 off about 50 balls from no. 3 which effectively lost me the game. Still use him up the order occasionally against weaker teams or when I'm worried about collapsing. He gets out for ducks a lot though, probably to do with his temperament.

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