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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    Tim de Lisle on Lewis before he wasn't selected:



    It is a bit simplsitic to discount Lewis just because he wasn't selected.
    Lewis not being selected is pretty obvious in my book, swing bowlers rarely come out with any sort of success in Australia, and Lewis hardly set the world alight when he played test cricket in England anyways.
    Whether or not hes better than Plunkett or Mahmood that is another story, but i personally would have had a mystery player like Owais Shah(somebody who the Aussies wouldnt know much about) in there instead of Plunkett.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero
    Pietersen averages 46.83 post-Ashes
    Bell averages 51.18 in the same period
    Collingwood 48.47
    Flintoff 30.37 and 28.04 with the ball

    As I've said for quite sometime, I'd be quite happy with Flintoff at seven, with all three of KP, IB and PC playing. Flintoff, Hoggard, Harmison, Panesar is not an attack to be sniffed at, Collingwood, Bell and Pietersen can all turn their arm over if need be, though they do have only one Test wicket each.

    It's not an issue of KP's performance not being good enough, it's the fact that the other two have performed better. KP averages 50+ against the Aussies though and still stands out as the most likely to succeed down under, especially against Warne and McGrath.

    Throw in Cook (54.35) and if we bat down to Flintoff at 7, it's quite the middle order
    i can only see the point of going in with a 4 man attack if Anderson isnt fit. Forget about having to put pressure on Flintoff who wouldnt have bowled in an international game since his injury, Harmison and Hoggard are about as likely to fail in Australia as they are to succeed. Englands biggest concern will be taking 20 wickets every gamr, and i think they'd find that job a lot easier if they had 5 bowlers than if they had 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steulen
    Pietersen, likeHarmison, must play, to leave them out would be insane.

    They often fail spectacularly but on the occasions they do get it right they're a free ride to victory. Dependable batsmen like Bell and Collingwood will never have that quality.
    thats equivalent to picking afridi in the side to be honest.
    Pietersen has 'gotten it right' so to speak about a billion times during the winter and summer only to throw away his advantage and cost England the game. As such his average since the Ashes that was mentioned before(46 odd) is extremely poor when you consider that hes been repreived about 2 dozen times and sooner or later his luck is going to run out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    If Giles is fit, who would you rather play him or Panesar?

    Panesar is probably better potentially, but I hold grave fears for his confidence if he makes blunders in the field, the Australian crowd will certaintly not forget it. Just wait to the Boxing Day Test.
    I really don't understand where all this, 'oh they'll get on his back, then he'll fail badly under the pressure' comes from. By all accounts he is an extremely mentally strong young bloke and is not unsettled by the fans or batsmen looking to go after him.

    His fielding isn't the greatest but he was fairly solid this summer and made very few mistakes, his major problem is that he isn't a natural athlete.

    But his fielding and batting are no where near as bad as some people would like you to think. Maybe it's Fletcher propaganda to get Giles in the side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTheOne
    But his ...... batting are no where near as bad as some people would like you to think. Maybe it's Fletcher propaganda to get Giles in the side.
    I agree, he can certainly bat IMO.

    He's almost got a rep (through Fletcher and other media folk) of being another Devon Malcolm-style swisher. I'd say with some experience and confidence, he could be a #9 in our line-up.

    Everyone cheers when he wanders in to bat and give the ol' 'waaaayyyy' when he scores runs which I don't think does him justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PY
    I agree, he can certainly bat IMO.

    He's almost got a rep (through Fletcher and other media folk) of being another Devon Malcolm-style swisher. I'd say with some experience and confidence, he could be a #9 in our line-up.

    Everyone cheers when he wanders in to bat and give the ol' 'waaaayyyy' when he scores runs which I don't think does him justice.
    Totally agree. He played one crunching textbook cover-drive in the Pakistan series which any number three would have been proud of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    Totally agree. He played one crunching textbook cover-drive in the Pakistan series which any number three would have been proud of.
    That was sweet. Loved him sweep slogging Murali for 6 as well. That was a highly entertaining little knock. Can't wait to see him take on Warne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    If Giles is fit, who would you rather play him or Panesar?
    Giles if it's a 5 man attack, Panesar if it's a 4 man attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Giles if it's a 5 man attack, Panesar if it's a 4 man attack.
    Both in Sydney & maybe Perth too, if the reports of the WACA pitch are to be believed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    thats equivalent to picking afridi in the side to be honest.
    Pietersen has 'gotten it right' so to speak about a billion times during the winter and summer only to throw away his advantage and cost England the game. As such his average since the Ashes that was mentioned before(46 odd) is extremely poor when you consider that hes been repreived about 2 dozen times and sooner or later his luck is going to run out.
    Pietersen gets it right more often than Afridi.

    A 46 average is still far from bad, and it's not all down to luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steulen
    Pietersen gets it right more often than Afridi.

    A 46 average is still far from bad, and it's not all down to luck.
    Its not very good when you're the luckiest batsman in the side, and everytime you get a 100 you get reprieved at least 3 times. And its certainly not very good when everyone else in the middle order is scoring more runs and more consistently than you are. Im not saying drop him completely,but why in the blue hell is he being given assurance by the English management that hes a certainity when everyone else is playing better than him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero
    Pietersen averages 46.83 post-Ashes
    Bell averages 51.18 in the same period
    Collingwood 48.47
    Flintoff 30.37 and 28.04 with the ball

    As I've said for quite sometime, I'd be quite happy with Flintoff at seven, with all three of KP, IB and PC playing. Flintoff, Hoggard, Harmison, Panesar is not an attack to be sniffed at, Collingwood, Bell and Pietersen can all turn their arm over if need be, though they do have only one Test wicket each.

    It's not an issue of KP's performance not being good enough, it's the fact that the other two have performed better. KP averages 50+ against the Aussies though and still stands out as the most likely to succeed down under, especially against Warne and McGrath.

    Throw in Cook (54.35) and if we bat down to Flintoff at 7, it's quite the middle order
    100% agree i've had this idea for a long time & if you look to the future beyond the Ashes with the likely return of Jones & Vaughan i think a 4-man attack will have to be strongly considered because its a fact if Panesar holds on to the main spinner role plus 4 other bowlers England's will have a LONG tail.

    So in the future the idea of i.e either picking 4-seamers in Harmy/Hoggard/Freddie/Jones or 3 seamers & Panesar since it as Australia have shown once they are top class 4 specialist bowlers can certainly do the job & it will make England much stronger.

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    But looking at the ashes if the selectors pick 4-seamers it will depend on Flintoff's form with the ball going into the series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    Whether or not hes better than Plunkett or Mahmood that is another story, but i personally would have had a mystery player like Owais Shah(somebody who the Aussies wouldnt know much about) in there instead of Plunkett.
    Didn't Shah play his first games of international cricket against Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    Didn't Shah play his first games of international cricket against Australia?
    I can remember him playing against the Aussies a few times in ODIs.
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