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India squad for T20 WC

Shri

Mr. Glass
Centuries win matches. Or maybe something as close, which looks steady yet explosive. The perfect innings would be something like what we've seen of the batsmen I've mentioned- they dominate the bowling, without trying to be extravagant. Indian batsmen are either extravagant and perish early, or go slow without trying to attack. I'd say the perfect T20 innings would be AB de Villiers' century, or Matthew Hayden's 89*, or any of the Gilchrist 50s, or from an Indian perspective, the 70+ scores by Yuvraj (against Australia) and Gambhir (final) and Rohit Sharma's 50 in the final. Indian batsmen, unfortunately, now treat T20 as hit-and-giggle stuff and get out for tens and fifteens very often.
I dont know how to do this. But could you get me statistics for International T20 games where batsmen have scored centuries if it isn't too much trouble for you? Then, compare it with the total international T20 games. You will understand what I am trying to convey. Cheers.
 

dossa

Cricket Spectator
Opening position - 3

Virender Sehwag, Gautam Gambhir, Robin Uthappa

Other batting positions - 4

Yusuf Pathan, Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh

WK - 2

MS Dhoni, Dinesh Karthik

Spinners - 2

Harbhajan Singh, Amit Mishra

Pacers - 4

Irfan Pathan, Zaheer Khan, Praveen Kumar, RP Singh
I definitely agree with this.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
I dont know how to do this. But could you get me statistics for International T20 games where batsmen have scored centuries if it isn't too much trouble for you? Then, compare it with the total international T20 games. You will understand what I am trying to convey. Cheers.
Chris Gayle seems to be the only centurion, yet his team lost that match. However, if you look at T20 trends lately, especially the voluminous IPL, we find the top batsmen (playing the most influential innings) being the ones who play steadily. They look in complete control, don't throw their wickets away easily and mix big hits with running between wickets.

Centuries are just an example, but you can look at batting figures of this IPL- particularly how many fifties have been scored by top batsmen, notably Hayden and Duminy. Then compare that with how many fifties have been scored by Indian batsmen, which is two at best. That's a worrying factor. Even in the most recent match, you can compare Hayden with Raina, so you get a hint.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
In the form guide from the IPL, the bowlers have done reasonably well so far. RP Singh is way ahead, while Zaheer and Irfan (and also Jadeja) have got reasonably good figures, while Ishant (on account of this last game) and Praveen, just about. In addition, Irfan and Jadeja have decent batting averages in the 20s (Jadeja has a better average while Irfan strikes more), while Praveen has been more than handy as a late-order striker. On the other hand, the batsmen haven't done well, with Sehwag, Gambhir and Sharma averaging less than 30, and only Dhoni getting it over 40. Dhoni and Yuvraj are the only players to get two scores over 50, while the rest have just one. Yusuf Pathan has an explosive strike rate, but he's not lasted long in the middle and his bowling, though useful, has an average of 34. Economy rates have largely been good. The bowling, when in good shape, can take care of itself, but when batting, they'll need everyone from one to ten to score.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Let's look at the records of the players from teams out of the race-

Ishant Sharma (RFM?): His stats are decent, with eleven wickets in as many matches with an average of 27. He's had a very tight economy rate, though wickets were hard to come by, but they don't suggest how valuable he was. He bowled fast, kept it tight and single-handedly led what was an under-performing bowling attack. He's one genuine success of this series.

Zaheer Khan (LFM): With six wickets in as many matches at a good average under 24, he's had a good tournament until struck by injury, and a BCCI notice ended his campaign. It's easy to spot that the Mumbai campaign was derailed ever since, as he too was quite valuable.

Harbhajan Singh (OB): In eleven matches, he took twelve wickets, with most coming in their final match, with an average of 21. He was, however, very inconsistent, with some dreadful matches on the way. His batting was way off, as he attempted to hit a six off every delivery and ending with an average of more or less as much.

Yusuf Pathan (RHB, OB): He finished the tournament with an average a shade over 20 and a strike rate over 132 and a single score over 50, and also seven wickets with an average of 34. That's dreadful for someone on whom a whole team's fortunes depend. He only got one score over 50, and more often than not, he didn't even get a start- he was in, he hit, and he was out. It's not surprising, since he was trying to go for big shots all the time. His bowling was quite useful, but Warne eventually stopped using him and played five full bowlers instead. Once he was in the running for a top-five berth in the team, but now, he may struggle to make the XI, which will be disappointing.

Ravi Jadeja (LHB, SLA): He's got attractive statistics of a batting average over 26 with a strike rate over 110, as well as six wickets at an average slightly over 20. However, those statistics don't tell the whole story. His batting lacked striking power and he struggled to hit the big shots, and got most of his runs between the wickets. He did not score a single fifty either. His bowling, no more than Yuvraj quality, was used very sparingly by Warne, so we can't expect much in a World Cup.

Yuvraj Singh (LHB): His batting stats show he's finished with an average of 28, with two fifties and a strike rate below 120, which isn't good reading. Then again, he was a lot less relevant than the overseas batsmen in the team strategies. He bowled well, but too much, as that may have affected his batting. With few specialist batting options at hand, he has to concentrate on his batting totally.

Irfan Pathan (LFM, LHB): With a batting average of 19.6 and a strike rate over 120, together with 17 wickets at an average of 22, he's been another genuine success among the Indians in the IPL. There has been the odd bad match and when he has a bad match, it tells on the team. He was, however, quite smart and served every purpose well for his team, and will be a key player.

Sehwag (RHB): He finished with an average under 20, striking over 132 with one 50. That's not good at all. He missed a few games due to injury, but lack of big scores has weakened his team and may weaken the Indian campaign in England.

Gambhir (LHB): Another Indian batsman struggling for form, he finished with one 50 and an average a little over 22, striking over 110. The other half of India's much-vaunted limited-overs opening pair has struggled here in this IPL.

I've left out Praveen, Dhoni, Raina, Rohit, RP and Ojha because their campaign is yet to finish. Among them, Rohit is a non-factor as that team depends a lot more of Gilly, Gibbsy and Roy, while Dhoni and Raina are so far a support act to the mighty Hayden. It's a pity Manish Pandey's century came so late in the IPL, as he'd be an automatic frontrunner in this team. Luckily for the Indians, they have the easiest group in the event, so they should use this opportunity fully to get back to full batting form.
 

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Player 	Matches 	Overs 	Mdns 	Runs 	Wkts 	Avg 	Eco 	SR
RP Singh 	29 	632 	2 	843 	40 	21.08 	8 	15.8
Irfan Pathan 	28 	618 	2 	740 	35 	21.14 	7.18 	17.66
A Nehra 	28 	567 	1 	694 	33 	21.03 	7.34 	17.18
Munaf Patel 	26 	534 	1 	661 	32 	20.66 	7.43 	16.69
Albie Morkel 	24 	506 	1 	701 	31 	22.61 	8.31 	16.32
Piyush Chawla 	29 	515 	0 	698 	29 	24.07 	8.13 	17.76
Pragyan Ojha 	27 	516 	0 	604 	29 	20.83 	7.02 	17.79
Praveen Kumar 	24 	508 	1 	691 	26 	26.58 	8.16 	19.54
M. Murali 	27 	624 	1 	650 	26 	25 	6.25 	24
Anil Kumble 	24 	530 	1 	605 	25 	24.2 	6.85 	21.2
L. Balaji 	21 	369 	0 	587 	25 	23.48 	9.54 	14.76
S. Sreesanth 	22 	445 	0 	634 	25 	25.36 	8.55 	17.8
Amit Mishra 	17 	356 	1 	428 	25 	17.12 	7.21 	14.24
Dwayne Bravo 	20 	368 	0 	491 	25 	19.64 	8.01 	14.72
P. Sangwan 	19 	416 	1 	574 	23 	24.96 	8.28 	18.09
Sohail Tanvir 	11 	247 	0 	266 	22 	12.09 	6.46 	11.23
Lasith Malinga 	13 	289 	1 	312 	21 	14.86 	6.48 	13.76
Manpreet Gony 	22 	450 	3 	592 	21 	28.19 	7.89 	21.43
Dirk Nannes 	12 	276 	0 	347 	20 	17.35 	7.54 	13.8
The leading wicket-takers since the IPL began. A cookie for whoever can tell me which Indian bowler has the lowest average.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Yes!

And he's not even in the gosh darn squad :dry:.
Economy > Average in T20 (this years stats only 15 overs +)
A Singh 5.42
H Singh 5.81
Kartik 5.91
Raina 5.92
Kumble 6.00
Powar 6.28
Ojha 6.46
Jadeja 6.47
Bhatia 6.73
Z Khan 6.76
Nehra 6.78
Chawla 6.86
I Sharma 6.90
R Sharma 6.90
M Patel 6.91
Y Pathan 6.94
Mishra 7.00
K Khan 7.01
Y Singh 7.10
Tyagi 7.15
Suman 7.20
RP Singh 7.20
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P Kumar 7.68
I Pathan 7.74

Surprising results for the part timers and the amount of spinners there who did so well in South Africa make it mind boggling that India aren't bringing more.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Now in terms of batting the selectors seem to have got it far more right for the WC though there are a few notable omissions some due to the players own choice in not to play.
Also it is important to consider what makes a good T20 player as it is not the same as other forms of cricket.

Strike rate is certainly an important aspect, in ODI a SR of 80 seems good, in Test cricket anything over 40 is at a good rate. In T20 where a good score is around 150-160. 150(120) 160(120) would indicate that a SR of 125-133 is at a good rate. Therefore while a team can incorporate a few players who score at a slower rate this would in turn require players who can put the pedal down as well.

What about average though? It's all well and good to score at a run and a half a ball yet if you only score ten runs an innings then you are of practically no use to your team! In ODI cricket a good average is somewhere in the range of 35+ and upwards, 30 being acceptable too if the SR is good enough.(A very rough generalization) If we simply take a look at the score of 150 and divide it by 6 (top 6 batsman) we get a total of 25. Which of course does not incorporate not outs and other factors yet seems like a solid enough barrier. As if the top 6 players manage to score 25 runs on average each then your team will be hitting a good score in each match.

So that said players averaging 25+ with a SR 125+ are looking good at T20 cricket.

Now lets apply this to the Indians with 150+ runs in this years IPL (exceptions made for great average with slightly off SR and vice versa)

The Good (great season!)

Pandey 164 @ 164 SR 149
Raina 434 @ 31 SR 141
Dhoni 332 @ 41.50 SR 127
Karthik 288 @ 36 SR 133
Suman 227 @ 25.22 SR 127
Tendulkar 364 @ 33.09 SR 120
Y Pathan 243 @ 20.25 SR 132.78

The Bad (dire season)

Gambhir 286 @ 22 SR 103
Ganguly 189 @ 17.18 SR 91
Badrnath 177 @ 19.66 SR 108

The Ugly (not too far off the mark yet disappointing all the same)

Yuvraj 340 @ 28.33 SR 116
Rohit 338 @ 28.16 SR 116
Jadeja 295 @ 26.81 SR 111

Dravid 262 @ 23.81 SR 119
Kohli 239 @ 23.90 SR 113
Sehwag 198 @ 19.80 SR 143
I Pathan 196 @ 19.6 SR 124

Nayar 193 @ 21.44 SR 127
Ojha 168 @ 24 SR 117
Uthappa 158 @ 14.36 SR 102

So India's batting looks solid enough with Yuvraj, Rohit, Jadeja and Ojha all needing to look at scoring a bit faster (though admittedly in the IPL many times due to poor support were left to rebuild their teams totals) and Sehwag and Irfan needing to score a little more consistently.

The strangest points in the batting are the omission of Raina and the inclusion of Gambhir. (Pandey not being counted due to how few matches he has played)
 

Smith

Banned
I think Yuvraj and Gambhir are going through a trough as far as T20 batting is concerned. But there is no way that both, who played an instrumental role in India winning the T20 WC in 2007, can be dropped. Yuvraj is in for batting agreed. But his bowling this time around was freakishly a revelation. Two hattricks? WTF! People strive to get 2 in their entire career!

Gambhir was the top scorer in last WC, and has every right to retain his place in this. He's not been abysmal per se. And since he has consolidated his position as opener in all the formats for India, plus his natural rapport with Sehwag, should make him a sure entry as their opener.

Inclusion of Rohit Sharma as a shocker in the IPL is a classic case of stats not telling the entire story. His batting form tailed off in between but in the last few matches has been phenomenal. His bowling has been reliable throughout.

These two players, Yuvraj and Rohit, would benefit India as both batsmen and bowlers. Add to this the useful stuff from Pathan and Raina, India do have a capable bowling lineup.

PS - What are you talking about? Raina excluded? He is in the squad if am not wrong
 
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Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Yes!

And he's not even in the gosh darn squad :dry:.
It is a massive shame, he has bowled some exceptional spells in the 2008 and 2009 IPLs. The decision between him, Ojha and Harbhajan for the spin spot is a tremendously difficult one though, it must be said, but yeah, he should be in the squad.
 

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It is a massive shame, he has bowled some exceptional spells in the 2008 and 2009 IPLs. The decision between him, Ojha and Harbhajan for the spin spot is a tremendously difficult one though, it must be said, but yeah, he should be in the squad.
I'd have him over Ojha- as i said recently in another thread, his economy rates are just as good as Ojha's in all forms of the game, and his averages are considerably better. There's just an expectation, because he's a leg-spinner, that he'll go for more runs.

In truth there's very little to suggest that, but the stereotype of an erratic-but-dangerous leggie holds a lot of water with selectors in one-day cricket. It's the same reason why a shorter-form bowler as effective as Stuart MacGill only played three ODIs.
 

Smith

Banned
It is a massive shame, he has bowled some exceptional spells in the 2008 and 2009 IPLs. The decision between him, Ojha and Harbhajan for the spin spot is a tremendously difficult one though, it must be said, but yeah, he should be in the squad.
I agree Mishra was unlucky to miss out. However considering the conditions, three specialist spinners were always going to be a luxury. Especially with the likes of part time spinners like Pathan, Yuvraj, Raina, Sharma, Sehwag etc. So I can understand the reason behind him being dropped, as Harbhajan is premier spinner, and Ojha, apart from being a left armer, has done nothing to hurt his selection.
 

Smith

Banned
I'd have him over Ojha- as i said recently in another thread, his economy rates are just as good as Ojha's in all forms of the game, and his averages are considerably better. There's just an expectation, because he's a leg-spinner, that he'll go for more runs.

In truth there's very little to suggest that, but the stereotype of an erratic-but-dangerous leggie holds a lot of water with selectors in one-day cricket. It's the same reason why a shorter-form bowler as effective as Stuart MacGill only played three ODIs.
However Mishra is yet to make his mark in Internationals, although he can always say he's not been given chances to perform though. Ojha, so far, has done nothing wrong to be not the No.2 spinner in limited over matches. He has passed a good litmus test by performing against the Sri Lankans, in their backyard. His economy rate is 4.2 which is exceptional in the modern era. Admittedly the difference between the two is minimal, however Ojha just about nudges Mishra out in the final analysis.

In tests, no question, Mishra easily overtakes Ojha.
 

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However Mishra is yet to make his mark in Internationals, although he can always say he's not been given chances to perform though. Ojha, so far, has done nothing wrong to be not the No.2 spinner in limited over matches. He has passed a good litmus test by performing against the Sri Lankans, in their backyard. His economy rate is 4.2 which is exceptional in the modern era. Admittedly the difference between the two is minimal, however Ojha just about nudges Mishra out in the final analysis.

In tests, no question, Mishra easily overtakes Ojha.
There's not a compelling case for Ojha to be dropped, but the point is that he shouldn't have played in the first place. Mishra's a better bowler and it's India's loss the longer they continue to play Ojha just because he hasn't yet given them a compelling reason to drop him. He's not going to win them many matches.
 

Smith

Banned
There's not a compelling case for Ojha to be dropped, but the point is that he shouldn't have played in the first place. Mishra's a better bowler and it's India's loss the longer they continue to play Ojha just because he hasn't yet given them a compelling reason to drop him. He's not going to win them many matches.
I disagree with that. When Ojha was selected, he had good reason to be preferred over Mishra. His performances in the domestic tournaments were better than that of Mishra. Plus India for a long time lacked a left arm spinner capable of stifling the RR in the middle overs. Ojha was the perfect go to man.

Also, I disagree with "He won't win many matches". So far the guy has figured in 9 matches, admittedly not a huge sample, and India have won 6. He averages 26 in won matches as against 38 in lost matches, which in itself is a good indicator of how he's performed as a match winner so far in ODIs. Mishra's chance will come, and I believe it will be at the cost of Harbhajan Singh than Ojha.
 

rivera213

U19 Vice-Captain
For me:

Sehwag
Gambhir
Yuvraj
Raina
Rohit
Dhoni (c and wk)
I. Pathan
Zaheer
Harbhajan
R.P
Ishant

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Praveen, while talented, looses his composure on big occassions (today being proof). That will change the more experience he has I'm sure, but for now I wouldn't pick him just in case.

I had to pick 1 of the sloggers and Yuvraj has a knack of taking hat-tricks to add to his batting and he'll get Pietersen out every time we play India. :laugh:

It looks a good team whichever XI they pick.
 
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Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
I'd have him over Ojha- as i said recently in another thread, his economy rates are just as good as Ojha's in all forms of the game, and his averages are considerably better. There's just an expectation, because he's a leg-spinner, that he'll go for more runs.

In truth there's very little to suggest that, but the stereotype of an erratic-but-dangerous leggie holds a lot of water with selectors in one-day cricket. It's the same reason why a shorter-form bowler as effective as Stuart MacGill only played three ODIs.
Would agree wholeheartedly with that.

I agree Mishra was unlucky to miss out. However considering the conditions, three specialist spinners were always going to be a luxury. Especially with the likes of part time spinners like Pathan, Yuvraj, Raina, Sharma, Sehwag etc. So I can understand the reason behind him being dropped, as Harbhajan is premier spinner, and Ojha, apart from being a left armer, has done nothing to hurt his selection.
Mishra has not recently been given a chance in limited overs cricket, tbf.

However Mishra is yet to make his mark in Internationals, although he can always say he's not been given chances to perform though. Ojha, so far, has done nothing wrong to be not the No.2 spinner in limited over matches. He has passed a good litmus test by performing against the Sri Lankans, in their backyard. His economy rate is 4.2 which is exceptional in the modern era. Admittedly the difference between the two is minimal, however Ojha just about nudges Mishra out in the final analysis.

In tests, no question, Mishra easily overtakes Ojha.
There's not a compelling case for Ojha to be dropped, but the point is that he shouldn't have played in the first place. Mishra's a better bowler and it's India's loss the longer they continue to play Ojha just because he hasn't yet given them a compelling reason to drop him. He's not going to win them many matches.
Indeed and Mishra can certainly win India ODIs and T20s.

I disagree with that. When Ojha was selected, he had good reason to be preferred over Mishra. His performances in the domestic tournaments were better than that of Mishra. Plus India for a long time lacked a left arm spinner capable of stifling the RR in the middle overs. Ojha was the perfect go to man.

Also, I disagree with "He won't win many matches". So far the guy has figured in 9 matches, admittedly not a huge sample, and India have won 6. He averages 26 in won matches as against 38 in lost matches, which in itself is a good indicator of how he's performed as a match winner so far in ODIs. Mishra's chance will come, and I believe it will be at the cost of Harbhajan Singh than Ojha.
Ojha has not won these matches by himself, except one against Sri Lanka (?) in which he wrapped up the tail enders. I feel Mishra has a possible ability to remove middle orders. Harbhajan Singh's place should be under no scrutiny, imo, he is a effective lower order batsman and keeps it extremely tight in limited overs cricket, he never gets the credit he deserves for his darts in ODIs and T20s.
 

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