The Golden Ball - Page 3

Neil Pickup · 09-07-2006, 02:29 PM

Not Zidane. Not now. No way.

steds · 09-07-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Neill and Essien (for instance) had bigger impacts on the relative success of their sides than Terry or Figo or whoever.

Bigger impact != Better performance.

FaaipDeOiad · 09-07-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by steds

Bigger impact != Better performance.

Difference in terminology. The point is the same - the all-star team should be the best players in the tournament in terms of their performance and the effect they had on the games they played in, relative to all the other players. Totti played in a better and more successful team than many other people in the World Cup, but he didn't have a particularly good tournament by any means, and as such shouldn't have been in the all-star team.

sledger · 09-07-2006, 03:54 PM

Cannavaro gets my vote, followed by Pirlo, would have been Zidane were it not for his idiotic performance this evening.

steds · 09-07-2006, 04:13 PM

Pity vote from me.

Samuel_Vimes · 10-07-2006, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

Not Zidane. Not now. No way.

Indeed...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...06/5154248.stm

social · 10-07-2006, 05:33 AM

I'd give it to Grosso

Righted a sinking ship with his dive vs Aus

Scored the winner with a sensational strike vs Germany

Scored the winning penalty in the Final

Anil · 10-07-2006, 09:04 PM

well it is zidane, like it or not....

FaaipDeOiad · 10-07-2006, 11:47 PM

Zidane was the correct choice, in my view. He was the best player, and without him it's exceedingly unlikely that France would have made the final.

Maybe it's a cultural thing related to Australian sport, but I don't see how you could possibly fail to give the "best player" award to someone just because they headbutted someone in the last 5 minutes of the tournament. Doesn't have any impact on how he played for the rest of the tournament at all.

Mind you, the award was given out at half time it seems, so the headbutt wouldn't even have happened yet.

Xuhaib · 12-07-2006, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Zidane was the correct choice, in my view. He was the best player, and without him it's exceedingly unlikely that France would have made the final.

Maybe it's a cultural thing related to Australian sport, but I don't see how you could possibly fail to give the "best player" award to someone just because they headbutted someone in the last 5 minutes of the tournament. Doesn't have any impact on how he played for the rest of the tournament at all.

Mind you, the award was given out at half time it seems, so the headbutt wouldn't even have happened yet.

One can raise the same point with Cannavaro.

Italy had no hope of winning without him especially with Nesta already injured.

cricketboy29 · 12-07-2006, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Zidane was the correct choice, in my view. He was the best player, and without him it's exceedingly unlikely that France would have made the final.

Maybe it's a cultural thing related to Australian sport, but I don't see how you could possibly fail to give the "best player" award to someone just because they headbutted someone in the last 5 minutes of the tournament. Doesn't have any impact on how he played for the rest of the tournament at all.

Mind you, the award was given out at half time it seems, so the headbutt wouldn't even have happened yet.

I'm afraid I dont quite understand what your saying there, Fuller. Should he have got the award even after he headbutted or not?.

FaaipDeOiad · 13-07-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cricketboy29

I'm afraid I dont quite understand what your saying there, Fuller. Should he have got the award even after he headbutted or not?.

Seriously?

Anyway, yes.

marc71178 · 13-07-2006, 12:53 AM

I did see that Blatter is reported as saying he might be stripped of the award in disgrace.

Goughy · 13-07-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Zidane was the correct choice, in my view. He was the best player, and without him it's exceedingly unlikely that France would have made the final.

If France would have won then I would have agreed but 2nd place is still only 2nd place and Zidanes actions could have been the difference between winning and losing the WC.

He lost his head and may have lost his team the game in the only match that really counts. His performance in the big important game meant there is no way he should have won it.

Maybe next time they will not give the trophy out at 1/2 time

Neil Pickup · 13-07-2006, 12:25 PM

People wondered that after they gave it to Kahn at half time in Japan and then he conceded two...

View Poll Results: Who would you vote for as best player?
Michael Ballack	0	0%
Guinluigi Buffon	4	11.43%
Fabio Cannavaro	11	31.43%
Thierry Henry	1	2.86%
Miroslav Klose	1	2.86%
Maniche	0	0%
Andrea Pirlo	1	2.86%
Patrick Vieira	0	0%
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sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,149	Cannavaro gets my vote, followed by Pirlo, would have been Zidane were it not for his idiotic performance this evening.

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FaaipDeOiad Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 18,682	Zidane was the correct choice, in my view. He was the best player, and without him it's exceedingly unlikely that France would have made the final. Maybe it's a cultural thing related to Australian sport, but I don't see how you could possibly fail to give the "best player" award to someone just because they headbutted someone in the last 5 minutes of the tournament. Doesn't have any impact on how he played for the rest of the tournament at all. Mind you, the award was given out at half time it seems, so the headbutt wouldn't even have happened yet.

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