Who's Done the Most Damage?

[subshakerz]

3 runs being slightly average is certainly interesting...... It's the same between Warne and Botham for eg.

So to clarify, your argument is a 3 run average difference automatically makes one a better bowler?

 

[Johan]

Lillee is not a better Cricketer than Botham bud

 

[capt_Luffy]

So to clarify, your argument is a 3 run average difference automatically makes one a better bowler?

Your argument is literally 1 more WPM does so

 

[subshakerz]

Your argument is literally 1 more WPM does so

yes if all other factors equal (wicket competition, performance across conditions/countries), that matters more than a few average points.

I prefer the better wickettaker than the cheaper bowler.

 

[subshakerz]

Lillee is not a better Cricketer than Botham bud

I disagree but it's fair to say it's debatable.

 

[capt_Luffy]

yes if all other factors equal (wicket competition, performance across conditions/countries), that matters more than a few average points.

I prefer the better wickettaker than the cheaper bowler.

Wicket competition and performance across conditions neither is even that close to equal. And again, 3 isn't just 3 points.

 

[Johan]

I disagree but it's fair to say it's debatable.

then what's the point of the laugh emote

 

[subshakerz]

then what's the point of the laugh emote

Initial response but I realise I am underestimating Botham.

 

[subshakerz]

Wicket competition and performance across conditions neither is even that close to equal. And again, 3 isn't just 3 points.

There isn't a big difference IMO. Ambrose has a lot more competition early career, much less later half career when his WPM went down. Ambrose doesn't have much outside Eng, Aus and WI to talk about.

 

[capt_Luffy]

There isn't a big difference IMO. Ambrose has a lot more competition early career, much less later half career when his WPM went down. Ambrose doesn't have much outside Eng, Aus and WI to talk about.

Lillee has no WI and his Home record is based on bashing ENG, trashy NZ and only really Great to WI in the most bounciest of pitches bowling alongside Thomson.
Tell me, who you rate higher Keith Miller or Wes Hall?

 

[sayon basak]

I prefer the better wickettaker than the cheaper bowler.

Go for Yasir Shah imo.

 

[subshakerz]

Go for Yasir Shah imo.

Over?

 

[shortpitched713]

It goes to how we rate Hadlee in India in 1988. I am considering Steyn over Hadlee lately.

Legit. I seesaw between them as well.

 

[subshakerz]

Lillee has no WI and his Home record is based on bashing ENG, trashy NZ and only really Great to WI in the most bounciest of pitches bowling alongside Thomson.
Tell me, who you rate higher Keith Miller or Wes Hall?

Miller I guess. Not sure.

Anyways Lillee did pretty decent in WI in
WSC.

His home record is legit awesome. Especially compared to Ambrose. He delivered vs WI after Thommo too.

The Lillee hate here doesn't make sense.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Miller I guess. Not sure.

Anyways Lillee did pretty decent in WI in
WSC.

His home record is legit awesome. Especially compared to Ambrose. He delivered vs WI after Thommo too.

He averages 24 at Home with 2.75 WPI
Excluding a bad debut Series and one ill, Ambrose does 19 with 2.41 WPI. It isn't better let alone significantly. After Thommo he had one good Series vs WI and one extremely mid. His best was going for the head in some of the bounciest and fastest tracks ever. WSC wasn't Tests and even then his WI record doesn't come close to Ambrose in either of those 3 countries.
Miller has like 1 less WPM though

 

[subshakerz]

He averages 24 at Home with 2.75 WPI
Excluding a bad debut Series and one ill, Ambrose does 19 with 2.41 WPI. It isn't better let alone significantly. After Thommo he had one good Series vs WI and one extremely mid. His best was going for the head in some of the bounciest and fastest tracks ever. WSC wasn't Tests and even then his WI record doesn't come close to Ambrose in either of those 3 countries.
Miller has like 1 less WPM though

Lillee averages 23 at home. With a SR of 49.

As for Ambrose at home, I don't believe in removing debut series from larger samples like that if we don't do it for other cricketers just to make their records look better.

Big picture, Ambrose outside Aus and Eng simply had issues taking wickets at the rate you would like for a top tier pacer.

 

[Johan]

He averages 24 at Home with 2.75 WPI
Excluding a bad debut Series and one ill, Ambrose does 19 with 2.41 WPI. It isn't better let alone significantly. After Thommo he had one good Series vs WI and one extremely mid. His best was going for the head in some of the bounciest and fastest tracks ever. WSC wasn't Tests and even then his WI record doesn't come close to Ambrose in either of those 3 countries.
Miller has like 1 less WPM though

yeah Lillee's home superiority is basically one bad home series for Ambrose in his debut, Lillee's home average never went down 22

 

[capt_Luffy]

Lillee averages 23 at home. With a SR of 49.

As for Ambrose at home, I don't believe in removing debut series from larger samples like that if we don't do it for other cricketers just to make their records look better.

Big picture, Ambrose outside Aus and Eng simply had issues taking wickets at the rate you would like for a top tier pacer.

Lillee also had that problem everywhere but ENG and AUS, and even in Australia he did so at quite a handsome Average. Like I thought it was on quality, in which case one particular Series being debut can definitely be overlooked. And that's mostly for WPI, Ambrose has nonetheless a much better average at home.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah Imran to me is more proven given success in SC, WI, Eng and Aus.

Where was he proven in the SC away from helpful umpires at home?

There was home, minnow SL and India and he wasn't proven in India. His overall record in Australia isn't exactly standout either.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Where was he proven in the SC away from helpful umpires at home?

There was home, minnow SL and India and he wasn't proven in India. His overall record in Australia isn't exactly standout either.

It actually is given you count WSC