Who is the best current International Coach

[chicane]

yea but australia has a very strong bowling lineup....the rest of the bowlers werent half as good as the first string bowlers. in indias case though the bowlers werent that much better than the replacements....in fact pathan was better than the bowler he replaced.

Zaheer Khan is way better than AA, though he won us the Adelaide game. Zaheer has just not remained fit and so hasn't lived up to expectations. And this is what I was talking about in the other thread. When I said there was something special about Pathan, I meant this. Coming with hardly any cricket to his name, the way he performed against the best, it was clear he had superb abilities. That's why unless he loses focus or gets injured, he's.......

and another thing.....in the ashes series in 02-03 a largely under strength english side beat the aussies in the final test when they were without warne and mcgrath....despite the fact that gillespie and lee were at their best! no im not saying england is a better team, im just saying how handicapped the aussies are their 2 best bowlers.

The Aussies definitely don't have bench strength in the bowling dept. but they make up for it with their fielding and catching. And re.England's win, Australia definitely weren't playing with full intensity and were a shade complacent.

 

[chicane]

oh and btw australia also had another player missing...a largely underrated player whos performances in the tour of india will be crucial....have you heard of darren lehmann?

yeah but you forgot Steve Waugh! And his Sydney performance.

 

[chicane]

So Kumble isn't a top bowler?



Just wanted to get that cheap shot.

Before the series Harbhajan would've definitely gotten ahead because there was a lot being said about Kumble's record away from home. And Kumble was only 80%.

 

[chicane]

thats just pocket feed for someone like tendulkar believe me......

Yeah it is so what he deserves his money and will enjoy it. And what is pocket feed for him is more than 'handy' for the beneficiaries.

 

[tooextracool]

Zaheer Khan is way better than AA, though he won us the Adelaide game. Zaheer has just not remained fit and so hasn't lived up to expectations. And this is what I was talking about in the other thread. When I said there was something special about Pathan, I meant this. Coming with hardly any cricket to his name, the way he performed against the best, it was clear he had superb abilities. That's why unless he loses focus or gets injured, he's........

zaheer khan is nothing more than an ordinary bowler....and agarkar bowler better than zaheer khan could have even dreamt of in that series.
as far as pathan is concerned i have never said that there isnt something special about him but to rate him above steve harmison just because of that would be ludicrous. until and unless he proves himself i dont see any reason why i should even rate him as a "good" bowler

The Aussies definitely don't have bench strength in the bowling dept. but they make up for it with their fielding and catching.

how can they make up for their 2 best bowlers with fielding and catching???are you telling me that when mcgrath and warne dont play they take their fielding to entirely new levels??

And re.England's win, Australia definitely weren't playing with full intensity and were a shade complacent.

they'd have to be stupid to be complacent...im sure they were quite keen to whitewash england as would a lot of other teams.

 

[tooextracool]

yeah but you forgot Steve Waugh! And his Sydney performance.

huh?steve waugh did play in that series while lehmann didnt....im saying lehmann is their best player of spin and he could have had a major influence on the outcome of that series

 

[tooextracool]

Yeah it is so what he deserves his money and will enjoy it. And what is pocket feed for him is more than 'handy' for the beneficiaries.

which is completely besides the point.....the fact is tendulkar is money minded just like edd giddins...whether he chose to do it by legal or illegal means is not the issue.

 

[chicane]

how can they make up for their 2 best bowlers with fielding and catching???are you telling me that when mcgrath and warne dont play they take their fielding to entirely new levels??

obviously not totally. They'll do better than other teams without their main players.

 

[chicane]

huh?steve waugh did play in that series while lehmann didnt....im saying lehmann is their best player of spin and he could have had a major influence on the outcome of that series

Lehmann didn't play because Steve Waugh was in the team. He could have probably come instead of Katich but he too played superbly. Katich did have a major influence on the ultimate outcome of the series.

 

[tooextracool]

obviously not totally. They'll do better than other teams without their main players.

absolutely the most illogical,stupid and senseless post ive ever seen.

 

[chicane]

which is completely besides the point.....the fact is tendulkar is money minded just like edd giddins...whether he chose to do it by legal or illegal means is not the issue.

But everyone is money minded to that extent. Giddins was obviously more desperate for money. And he also has a history for such things...

 

[tooextracool]

Lehmann didn't play because Steve Waugh was in the team. He could have probably come instead of Katich but he too played superbly. Katich did have a major influence on the ultimate outcome of the series.

umm lehamann was injured for about a year!!what are you talking about?katich came in to replace lehmann. lehmann averages in the 50s btw and is the best player of spin in their side....he is about as crucial to their side against a team like india as any other player in the side.

 

[tooextracool]

But everyone is money minded to that extent. Giddins was obviously more desperate for money. And he also has a history for such things...

which is what ive been trying to say all along....most people are money minded.what giddins did is something that is not entirely unexpected. he doesnt get much money playing county cricket and he doesnt get to feature in commercials etc.

 

[chicane]

absolutely the most illogical,stupid and senseless post ive ever seen.

If i'm right(which I think I surely am), you have misunderstood.(again as ususal). I didn't mean they would still be better than everyone else I meant they will cope with it better.

 

[chicane]

which is what ive been trying to say all along....most people are money minded.what giddins did is something that is not entirely unexpected. he doesnt get much money playing county cricket and he doesnt get to feature in commercials etc.

But Tendulkar has earned his money, this guy is trying to gamble and stuff just because he's a failure. Why can't he find a job and make a living? He can't get commercials that's his fault!

 

[chicane]

umm lehamann was injured for about a year!!what are you talking about?katich came in to replace lehmann. lehmann averages in the 50s btw and is the best player of spin in their side....he is about as crucial to their side against a team like india as any other player in the side.

Yeah but Katich also did very well and played that crucial knock in the second innings in Sydney. They didn't exactly miss Lehmann.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Which proves that Giddins isn't a Tendulkar or a Coach? Or a Whatmore? Buchanan? Wright? Fletcher?

i.e. Thread a little off track (and close thread button in touching distance)

 

[chicane]

Which proves that Giddins isn't a Tendulkar or a Coach? Or a Whatmore? Buchanan? Wright? Fletcher?

i.e. Thread a little off track (and close thread button in touching distance)

LOL this has gone way off track..

 

[tooextracool]

Yeah but Katich also did very well and played that crucial knock in the second innings in Sydney. They didn't exactly miss Lehmann.

what about in the first 3 tests??jeez the guy averages more than 50.
besides if you can say that india missed zaheer khan etc despite the fact that pathan,kumble and agarkar more than made up for them then australia missed lehmann.

 

[tooextracool]

Which proves that Giddins isn't a Tendulkar or a Coach? Or a Whatmore? Buchanan? Wright? Fletcher?

i.e. Thread a little off track (and close thread button in touching distance)

btw when was this thread ever on track??