capt_Luffy
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Kohli has something like 2500 more runs than Raina, 1300 than anyone else; and has a good 6 runs higher average.
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Who has been the MVP in the IPL over the last 10 years?
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Thala_0710
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Strike rate is about twice as important in t20s, and raina despite playing his home games at chepauk instead of chinnaswaamy and not getting to play in the ultra batting friendly era of the last couple of years strikes at 5-6 points higher than Kohli (Kohli also has the added advantage of playing in the pp). Raina also has a much superior record in the ko stage, where he has motm performances in each of the final, qualifier etc.
Thala_0710
International Captain
No, the consistently elite seasons one after another. Playing at around 140 SR, when everyone else was playing at a 120 SR at chepauk. Also, till Raina was at it he was the highest scorer and best indian bat in the league, kohli could only overtake his tally after he left despite playing his home games at chinnaswaamy.
You can use this same argument to prove that Kohli is a better argument than AB or Gayle. But in reality, Raina's runs have much higher impact than that of Kohli. The fact that Raina has a higher strike rate playing in Chepauk for most of his career proves my point.
Raina played in a different and tougher era of the IPL and was the best batter during that period. If not for the 2023 and 2024 IPL, Kohli's SR might've been lower than 130.
Here's a another question: If Kohli wasn't Kohli, would he get opportunities in the 2023 IPL, considering how **** he was from 2020-22? It isn't even the internationals case where he was the best for a long time to be dropped.
Thala_0710
International Captain
Some good points
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
SR is important, and Chepauk is definitely spicier than Chinnaswamy; but I don't think 6 runs SR difference is nearly as important as a 6 runs average difference. Also, from memory, it always felt like Raina could be stopped by bowling good short balls. He did benefitted by having a turner as home turf. I think we are looking at Raina with some rose tinted glasses.
At the time of Raina's retirement/dropping (whatever you want to call it), the difference between their averages was around 4 runs and the difference in strike rates was 7.
Looking at how Kohli struggled on UAE wickets, his numbers would've been terrible if he had played in Chepauk for longer like Raina.
Kohli played at a below par rate for most of the innings. He strikes at 124 in the first 15 overs (120 till 2021). That's if anything, detrimental to the team's performances. OTOH Raina strikes at 132 while playing on tougher wickets.
Thala_0710
International Captain
I would actually argue the same about kohli. He wasn't even top 2 batsmen in his own team for the majority of his career. In fact his slower approach and reluctance to start quicker actually cost rcb a lot over the years (he finally corrected it last year). It was left to Gayle and ABD to get rcb to above par totals. Meanwhile Kohli would mostly only accelerate if he stayed till the death overs.
Raina was CSK's main batsman meanwhile and driving force (alongside MSD) for their dominance. He was rarely surrounded by fast scorers and had the tough job of both being the enforcer and going big.
sayon basak
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Chris Gayle and AB De Villiers.
Thala_0710
International Captain
His record at chepauk is 1498 runs @30 avg amd and 135 SR, which are slightly below his overall numbers. Can't really say that turners were a benefit
Why SKY at 5 when you could have someone like maybe a Yusuf Pathan? And I love the possibility of having Sehwag and Narine open together.
Thala_0710
International Captain
Forgot about Yusuf. Great suggestion, I'm inclined to make that change
Thala_0710
International Captain
The bowling is irrelevant. Why is sky so much better than Yusuf as a batter though?
Yusuf was easily the best Indian finisher after Dhoni till 2016 or so.
He struck at 179 in 2008. That's ridiculous. SKY's best season had 181, that too 15 years later.
Daemon
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Really? Sky’s been one of the best in the world. Yusuf was a useful hack.
Even Yusuf's second best season had a strike rate of 166.
SKY's ceiling as a t20 batter is arguably higher. But SKY just didn't come off as good as he did in internationals. 2022 was supposed to be an all-timer, but he got injured midway.
I still don't think SKY has really hit his ceiling in the IPL. 2023 was exceptional but he had a dry first half.
Thala_0710
International Captain
Yusuf batted the majority of his IPL career at 5
Thala_0710
International Captain
Mixing t20i with it is a different story. Based on IPL performance alone, I'd go Yusuf