Coronis
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At least you admit he’s better than KohliAs I said before, to me, he is the Sanga to Smith's Lara, Root's Sachin, and Kohli's Ponting. Make of that what you will.
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Which current players are/will be ATGs?
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Kohli and Kane are not ATGs. Root either yet.
TheJediBrah
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Root is
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That's not the only way to look at it. It depends on how many players are good enough to be considered ATG (by whoever is deciding).
It doesn't have to be an arbitrary percentage
Sunil1z
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Do you consider Pollock , Walsh and Dravid ATG ?
PlayerComparisons
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Are G Smith and Greenidge ATGs? Fab 3 are as good as those guys at least.
James
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I agree with this.
On a separate note, a tweet on X appeared in my feed today:
Makes some good point about possible rules for ATG:
It's why in an earlier post of mine, in my view, to be an ATG, you have to have a fantastic record against every team, in all conditions.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Coronis
Cricketer Of The Year
I mean, with that definition you’d end up with a list much shorter than 11, if any at all.
CricAddict
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2 to be precise. Bradman and Marshall.
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Surely not, as long as you're reasonable and not too picky with the definition of "fantastic record". For example you're not going to withhold status from Steve Smith because off his record against Bangladesh from 2 matches.
McGrath would qualify, worst opposition is averaging 27 against SA
Tendulkar, worst average by opposition is 42 against SA & Pakistan
Those are just the first 2 I checked and fit the definition of "fantastic record" within reason, taking into account the rest of their records. I think most proper ATG players would be similar
Fuller Pilch
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Richards is another. Worst average by opposition is 72 against Australia
CricAddict
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Mcgrath averages 30 odd from 9 tests in Srilanka and Pakistan. Sachin averages 42 from 43 tests against Pak and SA. If we have to find faults, we can find faults in everyone.
I agree with you that one has to be reasonable. You can't be saying that one has to be fantastic against all opposition and in all conditions to be an ATG. Need to relax on those terms. How much one relaxes these terms determine the count of ATGs and these relaxation norms vary from person to person.
Marshall fails this one as well if you are running it by country. 32 In NZ from 3 tests.
Ambrose and Garner are the most uniform by country. Worst of 25.
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Centimetres?
Not T1 ATGs. No one would consider them for an AT World Test XI (or 2nd such XI).
T2 greats - yes.
Context is key as opening is tougher. Fresh bowlers, whatever assistance is in the pitch is first up etc.
Neither of them will make an AT XI. G.Smith would make an era XI I feel - he was a superb opener.