What if Sachin Tendulkar was born in England. Do you think he would have ended up with a better record?

[DrWolverine]

From his debut to retirement :
India played 221 Tests and he played 200 of them.
In same time, England played 289 Tests.

Do you think he could have debuted at 16 if he was an Englishman?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

20k+ test runs

 

[Johan]

So facing West Indies/Australia/South Africa every other week in the 90s, in entirely pacer friendly conditions and not only that but also carrying a terrible team which had three or four Test standard batsmen at most?

He'd end with more runs, but a worse average.

 

[Thala_0710]

Do you think he could have debuted at 16 if he was an Englishman?

Yes
20k+ runs

 

[Thala_0710]

So facing West Indies/Australia/South Africa every other week in the 90s, in entirely pacer friendly conditions and not only that but also carrying a terrible tea which had three or four Test standard batsmen at most?

He'd end with more runs, but a worse average.

Acting like 90s india batting wasn't worse.
And if he was English, he'd grow up on more pace friendly conditions as well

 

[Johan]

Acting like 90s india batting wasn't worse.
And if he was English, he'd grow up on more pace friendly conditions as well

2000s India was substantially better, and India had substantially better batsmen for their home pitches than England.

If he grew up in England, who knows? His technique might be entirely different, at that point too many butterfly effect hypotheticals for me to discuss.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

100K runs at 80.08

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Acting like 90s india batting wasn't worse.
And if he was English, he'd grow up on more pace friendly conditions as well

The runs per wicket in India and England during Sachins career is pretty similar anyways so don’t think his average would change much due to conditions tbh.

He’d have less minnow bashing which could affect the average though.

 

[Thala_0710]

2000s India was substantially better, and India had substantially better batsmen for their home pitches than England.

2000s India definitely was.
He'd also get more support from his pacers in SENAW, more of his heroics probably end up in wins. The English batting line up was pretty decent in the 2000s too btw.

 

[Thala_0710]

The runs per wicket in India and England during Sachins career is pretty similar anyways so don’t think his average would change much due to conditions tbh.

He’d have less minnow bashing which could affect the average though.

Yeah that's fair. Although with 20k+ runs he'd probably be held in even higher regard, especially with those performances against Australia now coming in an Ashes context

 

[Johan]

2000s India definitely was.
He'd also get more support from his pacers in SENAW, more of his heroics probably end up in wins. The English batting line up was pretty decent in the 2000s too btw.

Yeah but it was worse in 90s than India, especially the late 90s period where there were four test standard batsmen in the whole country and three of them averaged less than Ganguly.

On top, with my point about scheduling.

England played 26 Tests against the West Indies in 90s, India played 8.
England played 27 Tests against Australia in the 90s, India played 11.
England played 8 Tests against Pakistan in the 90s, India played 3.
England played 16 Tests against South Africa, India played 10.

England played Sri Lanka only 3 times, India did 13.

the context just changes completely, there's no way he won't take an average hit but in return he'd have way more runs, it's a tradeoff.

 

[DrWolverine]

England played 258 Tests between 1993 till his retirement. So I am guessing he would have played more Tests even if he debuted at 19.

 

[DrWolverine]

Between 1993-2002; India played 88 Tests.
Sachin played 85 Tests. 7726 runs @ 62. 27 100s.
England played 117 Tests in the same period.

 

[Thala_0710]

He probably doesn't play for 24 years if he's playing for England too... Probably retires after the 2011 wc after 120 tons or something

 

[sayon basak]

100K runs at 80.08

So he'd be a better batsman than Jadeja.

 

[Thala_0710]

The poll should only really be higher or lower avg tbh. With just how many more tests Eng play each yr, more tests, runs and tons is quite obvious

 

[PlayerComparisons]

So then his average might be even higher but with similar runs since he might retire before his decline

 

[DrWolverine]

He probably doesn't play for 24 years if he's playing for England too... Probably retires after the 2011 wc after 120 tons or something

1993-2011
England played 229 Tests. India played 182 Tests.

 

[Thala_0710]

So then his average might be even higher but with less runs since he might retire before his decline

He'd still play more than 200 I reckon

 

[Johan]

I can't see him retiring much earlier than he actually did, that always seemed like an entirely personal decision and England do carry burdens (Cook for a few years), I reckon he'd play like 230 Tests, get around 17-18,000 runs, retire with an average of 50 or maybe 51.