Viv Richards vs Sachin Tendulkar (against fast bowling)

[Johan]

I mean if you’re going to exclude a period before Murali “got good” you should exclude Sachin’s period where he wasn’t good, no?

like 1989-1992? they didn't clash at the time.

 

[Coronis]

like 1989-1992? they didn't clash at the time.

I meant the 05 series.

 

[Johan]

I meant the 05 series.

Sachin also got to beat up the 2009-10 Murali who would retire the very next series and averaged 65 that series so that evens it out, the one series inbetween where Murali was still a force and Sachin was coming off of averaging 70 in Australia (albeit, on roads), Sachin averaged 15. One series where Sachin is washed and Murali is at full output (37), another series where Sachin and Murali are both at peak output (15) and a final one where Sachin is at peak output and Murali is washed. (57).

 

[OverratedSanity]

Viv's exploits against ATG pace attacks are massively blown out of proportion, Sachin's also to a lesser extent. Viv a bit better.

 

[Johan]

won't say the extent are different but accurate on both being overrated against pace.

 

[subshakerz]

Viv's exploits against ATG pace attacks are massively blown out of proportion, Sachin's also to a lesser extent. Viv a bit better.

I don't think Sachin is ever promoted as a pace dominator. Just a mostly consistent scorer against quality attacks.

We can argue the individual series, but Viv had legitimate great series against each ATG pacer, which for someone of his scoring and risk taking is very impressive.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I think someone earlier asked who else do we consider great vs pace. From what I've seen Ricky Ponting was excellent vs pace. Then you have Steve Waugh who though he looked uncomfortable had the results. The innings if his that still sticks in my mind is the one where him and I believe Blewett had a 200+ partnership in and vs South Africa. And he absolute dominated us in 1995 Frank Worrell series. Kohli seems good with pace as well but has fallen off a cliff lately. Sachin himself didnt look particularly uncomfortable vs pace but found ways to get out for whatever reasons. Those who followed his career closer than I did probably could answer why. There are more but that's it for now.

 

[kyear2]

purely because he didn't get to play elite levels of spin while Sachin had Warne who he smashed around, and was less successful against a matured Muralidharan but the raw statistical perception gives that vibe. If Viv had a Warne or Murali to smash around, he would have and would have the perception of being the same tier as SRT against spin.

Very possibly.

Can never know for sure, but very possibly.

There's a video of Viv playing Shane in a charity(?) match. Would have loved to see them in their prime.

 

[The Sean]

I remember an interview with Warne where he said the two blokes he'd most love to have bowled to in their prime were Viv and Botham.

I imagine there's a reason he didn't choose Gavaskar and Viswanath.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

But Waqar is always get clubbed with Wasim (as we often check performance against 2 W).

That's probably because Waqars peak was virtually unmatched. I remember the series vs us in 93 that WI won handle but Waqar was still among the wickets. Back then, we still had a decent batting lineup: Lara, Haynes, Richie etc.