Virat Kohli vs AB de Villiers (ODIs)

[blackdevil95]

and before you say SRT has less failures overall, I’ll just say he failed in both finals which is more significant than failing in SF/QF

SRT is a failure ??

141 vs Aus in CT 1998 knockout
53 vs Aus 2011 QF
85 vs Pak 2011 SF

His overall stats is better than Kohli in ODI knockouts. But in one thing both are common. Both chokes outside Asian pitches when faced good pace attack.

 

[Bolo.]

I think he is counting the QFs as well. But I take offense on calling the 2011 Final meh. It wasn't Gilchrist in 2007 Final, but without that partnership, I doubt whether had won that WC.

Ya, QFs too. Can't really include semis without including QFs too.

Disclaimer that can't really remember his 2011 final tbh. Obviously a spot of bother if he went for a duck. You never know how a game is going to go. But 6 wickets is a big win. And if all the bats had had his innings, India would lost on run rate, and would have needed some real tail end heroics to get there on total runs.

 

[blackdevil95]

Sure, but it was not one handed, and Miller had the greater contribution.

When AB came to bat it was 114 in 26.5 overs. When Miller came to bat AB had already scored 60 off 38 balls. There was rain forecast even before the match begun. The match already begun with a run rate pressure and AB came to bat at the worst possible situation. Now just keep Virat Kohli in that position. Can he do what AB did? He can score at a strike rate of 150+ against NZ at their own backyards ??

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

SRT is a failure ??

141 vs Aus in CT 1998 knockout
53 vs Aus 2011 QF
85 vs Pak 2011 SF

His overall stats is better than Kohli in ODI knockouts. But in one thing both are common. Both chokes outside Asian pitches when faced good pace attack.

And failures in both finals. That’s massive, much bigger than SF failures. Don’t lump Sharjah and CT‘s with WCs. And Kohli’s got a good innings in final, one decent one and one brilliant SF.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

When AB came to bat it was 114 in 26.5 overs. When Miller came to bat AB had already scored 60 off 38 balls. There was rain forecast even before the match begun. The match already begun with a run rate pressure and AB came to bat at the worst possible situation. Now just keep Virat Kohli in that position. Can he do what AB did? He can score at a strike rate of 150+ against NZ at their own backyards ??

Yes. Ab should have gone about Roussow, wromg decision as captain, lost them that match as they were very slow in the first 27 overs. His 65(45) could have been 130(80) and won them that match

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

SRT is a failure ??

141 vs Aus in CT 1998 knockout
53 vs Aus 2011 QF
85 vs Pak 2011 SF

His overall stats is better than Kohli in ODI knockouts. But in one thing both are common. Both chokes outside Asian pitches when faced good pace attack.

No, Kohli is brilliant everywhere, and specifically done amazingly in SA

 

[blackdevil95]

No, Kohli is brilliant everywhere, and specifically done amazingly in SA

I am speaking about ICC ODI events.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I am speaking about ICC ODI events.

He was mediocre in 2015 WC, but good in 2019. But India‘s openers were batting so well, Kohki was coming in 20-25 overs down

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ya, QFs too. Can't really include semis without including QFs too.

Disclaimer that can't really remember his 2011 final tbh. Obviously a spot of bother if he went for a duck. You never know how a game is going to go. But 6 wickets is a big win. And if all the bats had had his innings, India would lost on run rate, and would have needed some real tail end heroics to get there on total runs.

India lost the first two wickets quickly. Chasing 275 in a WC Final, it was the partnership between Gambhir and Kohli that turned the tide of the game. Ofcourse, Dhoni was the hero and Gambhir should had been had not been out the most infuriating way imaginable; but Kohli and Gambhir's partnership set the tempo.

 

[Socerer 01]

Ya, QFs too. Can't really include semis without including QFs too.

Disclaimer that can't really remember his 2011 final tbh. Obviously a spot of bother if he went for a duck. You never know how a game is going to go. But 6 wickets is a big win. And if all the bats had had his innings, India would lost on run rate, and would have needed some real tail end heroics to get there on total runs.

it was overshadowed by Dhoni and Gambhir’s scores but without Kohli’s stabilising knock intervening neither would have ended up in the 90s given the nature of the final at the point Kohli walked in, it was his first senior world cup and he didnt look fazed, contrast that with dudes like Gill in 2023 and Pant in 2019

hell we would have had a better shot in 2019 and 2023 if we had someone give a similar recovery knock from no 4

 

[Coronis]

CC posters in a nutshell

Just go to statsguru, take bowlers across nations who averages less than 30 or around in the period of AB and Kohli. Check the stats of both against them. AB has better stats. And if you name 10 good bowlers Kohli faced, I will name 15 good bowlers AB faced. AB has faced more number of bowlers throughout his career.

I won't let stats fool me.

 

[blackdevil95]

CC posters in a nutshell

I mentioned stats here as the overall stats what do you see. Virat Kohli 200 vs SL. AB 95 vs SL. This is stats. AB faced Murali, Vaas and Malinga. VK faced?. That's what I intended to say.

 

[srbhkshk]

Ya, QFs too. Can't really include semis without including QFs too.

Disclaimer that can't really remember his 2011 final tbh. Obviously a spot of bother if he went for a duck. You never know how a game is going to go. But 6 wickets is a big win. And if all the bats had had his innings, India would lost on run rate, and would have needed some real tail end heroics to get there on total runs.

Others have said it too but that innings was worth it's weight in gold and far far better than the scorecard can ever tell you.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Sachin
Viv

AB

Only these 3 batsmen managed Superb Avg + Superb Strike rate + longevity.

Kohli ( Basically less aggressive Sachin )

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Who is 5th now?

Bevan I guess

with D Jones, Dhoni, and Ponting just behind

Very close between Dhoni and Bevan

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Who is 5th now?

Bevan I guess

with D Jones, Dhoni, and Ponting just behind

Dhoni
Dhoni = 90% Bevan + 90% Klusner
His stats would have been better if played more in top order.

Zaheer Abbas statistically matches top 3 ( Sachin, Viv and AB ) with his extra ordinary avg + Extra ordinary SR combo, unfortunately he didn't play enough.