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The Heaviest Ball bowlers of all time

duckettstars123

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It is. A heavy ball isn't really a real thing. It's a subjective effect.
Forget real and subjectiveness, the point made is that Glenn McGrath bowled with kick, extra bounce, zip, nip and the heavy ball. The deliveries of Glenn McGrath appeared to gain speed/nip/zip/bounce/kick after bouncing off the pitch, which is very rare, and conveys that McGrath bowled the Heavy Ball.
 

subshakerz

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Forget real and subjectiveness, the point made is that Glenn McGrath bowled with kick, extra bounce, zip, nip and the heavy ball. The deliveries of Glenn McGrath appeared to gain speed/nip/zip/bounce/kick after bouncing off the pitch, which is very rare, and conveys that McGrath bowled the Heavy Ball.
No it's the opposite. McGrath had an effortless action but always looked like a medium pacers. So if it reared up or was faster it was a surprise for bats precisely because it didn't seem like a heavy ball.

A heavy ball looks like an effort ball that has speed and bounce even if it similar to a normal delivery in effect.

The bowlers who bowl the heavy ball like Kallis, Flintoff and Shoaib all seem to be exerting more effort in their actions.
 

the big bambino

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A heavy ball is about the batsman's perception. That the delivery hits the bat harder then expected. It usually arises from the perception the bowler isn't as fast as anticipated based on the batsmen's sub conscious assessment of pace based on action.
 

Burgey

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A heavy ball is about the batsman's perception. That the delivery hits the bat harder then expected. It usually arises from the perception the bowler isn't as fast as anticipated based on the batsmen's sub conscious assessment of pace based on action.
This is 100% correct, and it usually correlates with blokes getting spliced, which makes you feel even less comfortable facing someone
 

duckettstars123

Cricket Spectator
No it's the opposite. McGrath had an effortless action but always looked like a medium pacers. So if it reared up or was faster it was a surprise for bats precisely because it didn't seem like a heavy ball.

A heavy ball looks like an effort ball that has speed and bounce even if it similar to a normal delivery in effect.

The bowlers who bowl the heavy ball like Kallis, Flintoff and Shoaib all seem to be exerting more effort in their actions.
Your assessment of the Heavy Ball is incorrect.

The Heavy Ball is not about the action or effort. It is about a delivery that rears menacingly from the fuller side of a good length, with unexpected extra bounce and rushes the batsman. It is similar to hitting the deck hard, which McGrath did more than perhaps any pace bowler in history.

The Heavy Ball has no relevance to effort or lack thereof. It is all about the extra bounce, kick, zip, nip and bite from that good length area. Glenn McGrath and Curtley Ambrose were NASTY bowlers due to the Heavy Ball.
 

subshakerz

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Your assessment of the Heavy Ball is incorrect.

The Heavy Ball is not about the action or effort. It is about a delivery that rears menacingly from the fuller side of a good length, with unexpected extra bounce and rushes the batsman. It is similar to hitting the deck hard, which McGrath did more than perhaps any pace bowler in history.

The Heavy Ball has no relevance to effort or lack thereof. It is all about the extra bounce, kick, zip, nip and bite from that good length area. Glenn McGrath and Curtley Ambrose were NASTY bowlers due to the Heavy Ball.
McGrath by that standard didn't bowl a heavy ball. He wasn't rearing it menacingly even when he did generate bounce.

I think awkward bounce and rushed speed are the ingredients.
 

duckettstars123

Cricket Spectator
McGrath by that standard didn't bowl a heavy ball. He wasn't rearing it menacingly even when he did generate bounce.

I think awkward bounce and rushed speed are the ingredients.
That's idiotic. How on earth do you think he didn't rear it menacingly?

Don't worry, all Indian bowlers are swing bowlers. There has never been an Indian bowler who rears it menacingly and there NEVER WILL BE.

How dare you think McGrath didn't rear the ball menacingly?
 

ataraxia

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That's idiotic. How on earth do you think he didn't rear it menacingly?

Don't worry, all Indian bowlers are swing bowlers. There has never been an Indian bowler who rears it menacingly and there NEVER WILL BE.

How dare you think McGrath didn't rear the ball menacingly?
"Calling subshakerz Indian" is an ATG genre of CW posts.
 

subshakerz

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That's idiotic. How on earth do you think he didn't rear it menacingly?

Don't worry, all Indian bowlers are swing bowlers. There has never been an Indian bowler who rears it menacingly and there NEVER WILL BE.

How dare you think McGrath didn't rear the ball menacingly?
I'm not Indian bro.

If you think Ambrose and McGrath were comparable in rearing it from a length, then I disagree.
 

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