mr_mister
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It's more batsmen we had a conveyor belt of back then
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The Bigger Ashes Achievement for England?
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Slifer
International Captain
Australia losing because McGrath was missing seems reasonable but is still not an excuse. I could point to countless times when champion teams had key players missing but still won or at least drew Test/series . At the end of the day, Australia just didnt have the bench strength in bowling to cover for his loss. Their fault/problem not England's
Mr Miyagi
Banned
What good England side McGrath bowl most a series to?
Just 06/07? Or are we excluding them too :P
Mr Miyagi
Banned
Nah - sprinkler dance was totes awesomo!
fredfertang
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The point I was making is that the 81 and 89 sides Alderman bowled to were stronger than those we fielded in 97 and 01
Mr Miyagi
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Oh I agree with that point. And 81 was a good team on most measures anyway even with Brearley.
I'm asking the next question :P
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fredfertang
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Oh I see - my apologies
That 10/11 England side is certainly the closest we've come in my lifetime to having a strong batting line up, as opposed to two or three class acts amidst a sea of mediocrity
Mr Miyagi
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10/11 was very strong post Freddy with a tail of Bresnan, Broad and Swann all making runs, I agree.
But McGrath didn't bowl to them.
2010/11 Eng beats 2005 Eng imo as a quality team.
Ironically they both had potential ATG bowlers (spares even) who were just walking injuries in Jones and Tremlett.
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Mr Miyagi
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SK Warne will tell you its 2005 if Collingwood gets an MBE for not even making a good score.I think 2010/11 was the bigger achievement, but 2005 had the bigger impact. So what should I vote for?
But I still like the sprinkler dance myself.
2005 was the lead in to 2009 and 2011. 2005 got a 1987 monkey off ECB's back. But 2010/11 was more clinical imo.
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GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
2010, to do that over there will never be surpassed by England IMO. Staying up through the night for Ashes series has been a chore every other time, this was glorious. Aside from all the obvious, the way we bounced back from Perth was phenomenal. I dozed on and off as time went by on Christmas night and every time I looked up another wicket had fallen.
Ashes subbie was great that series too. Great times.
Ashes subbie was great that series too. Great times.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah I can see that now..I had assumed that the bigger achievement would go on to have the bigger impact but I can see now that's not necessarily the case all the time.I think 2010/11 was the bigger achievement, but 2005 had the bigger impact. So what should I vote for?
Since the poll asked bigger impact, you can vote for 2005 there and then tell us in your post why 2010/11 was the bigger achievement
Slifer
International Captain
I genuinely don't see how winning in 2010 remotely compares to 05. In 05, Eng narrowly beat an atg team. A team that would shortly thereafter win another 16 in a row. Oz I believe had gone something like 16 series or so without defeat and who knows how long since losing to England. Plus they'd recently finished their so called final frontier of winning in India.
By 2010, oz was a shell of their former selves. They were by then losing tests and some series more regularly. Rsa had already beaten oz in oz for the first time in years (last home loss was 93 i think).
By 2010, oz was a shell of their former selves. They were by then losing tests and some series more regularly. Rsa had already beaten oz in oz for the first time in years (last home loss was 93 i think).
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Not true. They were still formidable at home, and only lost that one 08 series to South Africa
Beat both Pakistan and West Indies soundly 6-0 in 2009
Beat India (their all time great Test team) 4-0 in 2011
Quite often, after you beat a team well, it's easy to write it off. For the first 3 tests, it was still 1-1 with England decimated by Johnson in similar fashion to 2013. Speaking of which, a very similar side got thrashed 0-5 in 2013
You might argue 2005 was a greater win without having to write off 2010
Slifer
International Captain
Tbh I only really write off 2010 because quite frankly : that Australia team was not the atg and was already on the decline and two that oz team in 2010 had already lost at home to rsa (not to mention the beating they took in india). Oz in 05 was atg caliber and had not lost a recent series.
