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Test XI for The Last Quarter Century

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Well, Dhawan's catching up in ODIs. De Kock's getting there. I admit that they're still budding players. Ponting was only behind Sachin in his time. Sachin was miles clear of anyone else, sort of like but not to the extent that Viv was better than everyone else. I just cant see Ponting being too far behind Kohli if he was playing right now. In tests, peak Ponting wrecks Kohli. The guy was better than Lara and Sachin at their best at his best (in tests).
Kohli's Test record is getting right up there. He has that Lara-like ability to go on a God-like run of form and completely dominate series with the bat (Sachin rarely did that). He's had some notable dips but they've been rare in recent times.
 

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Fitting him in with a first XI with Kohli, Viv and AB becomes difficult to balance but then there's the captaincy. You don't want Sachin to captain, nor whoever is the 2nd opener. Viv wasn't bad, he was very good but nothing exceptional. AB was okay. Kohli is okay. Give it to Dhoni if he's in.
 

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Also, an all time ODI XI gives you a slight problem. The top 2 bowlers of all time are useless with the bat, and then there's Murali so you cant #BatDeep
Yes, but the batting will be stacked and even then you don't really need a overly stacked/conventional batting line up and can have pinch hitters in my view due to the heavy average weighting from 3-5. To be fair number 10 and 11 don't need to be able to bat, but another problem for me was looking at their lack of ability in the field. It's why I tried to make sure all my team from 9 up were decent fielders too as I picked McGrath and Ambrose.

Fitting him in with a first XI with Kohli, Viv and AB becomes difficult to balance but then there's the captaincy. You don't want Sachin to captain, nor whoever is the 2nd opener. Viv wasn't bad, he was very good but nothing exceptional. AB was okay. Kohli is okay. Give it to Dhoni if he's in.
My captain is Kohli and vice Gilchrist. Kohli's a winner and ferocious competitor. He can get tactical help from other players. I feel like he will bat better with the captaincy too.

Kohli's Test record is getting right up there. He has that Lara-like ability to go on a God-like run of form and completely dominate series with the bat (Sachin rarely did that). He's had some notable dips but they've been rare in recent times.
Kohli is a better player than Tendulkar and Lara in my view. He averages above 50 in all three formats and decent strike rate too in all three formats, it looks nice on his cricinfo profile. Kohli is also better in the field than both of them and will save runs in the field compared to the other two.
 
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Kohli's Test record is getting right up there. He has that Lara-like ability to go on a God-like run of form and completely dominate series with the bat (Sachin rarely did that). He's had some notable dips but they've been rare in recent times.
He has a lot of upside potential, I agree. He's in the fab 4 after all. Sachin was a lot more consistent than Lara though. In terms of consistency, I'd go Sachin>Ponting and Lara by some distance but one could mount a reasonable argument that both of them had more stellar performances than him.
 

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He hasn't done any of those things that make a player yet imo. He's still a budding great. I cant recall an iron-man innings like Ponting 156 or a match-winning one like Lara's 153, Ponting's twin 100s in his 100th test, or Sachin's Chennai knock, or something heroic in a huge 4th innings chase like Smith or Chanders. I mean, you don't have to do all of those things but he has a long way to go.
 

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He hasn't done any of those things that make a player yet imo. He's still a budding great. I cant recall an iron-man innings like Ponting 156 or a match-winning one like Lara's 153, Ponting's twin 100s in his 100th test, or Sachin's Chennai knock, or something heroic in a huge 4th innings chase like Smith or Chanders. I mean, you don't have to do all of those things but he has a long way to go.
Adelaide 2014.
 

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He hasn't done any of those things that make a player yet imo. He's still a budding great. I cant recall an iron-man innings like Ponting 156 or a match-winning one like Lara's 153, Ponting's twin 100s in his 100th test, or Sachin's Chennai knock, or something heroic in a huge 4th innings chase like Smith or Chanders. I mean, you don't have to do all of those things but he has a long way to go.
Adelaide was as close to what Sachin did at Chennai as you can get.
 

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Aah, yeah that. Still not gonna put him ahead of Sachin, Lara and Ponting. Easiest era for batting and all. Needs to go on like this.
 

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Oh yeah, he needs to do way more. He's been great for around 3-4 years but that doesn't make an all time great.
 

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Aah, yeah that. Still not gonna put him ahead of Sachin, Lara and Ponting. Easiest era for batting and all. Needs to go on like this.
haha woah there, not even the most rabid Kohli fan will claim he's a better Test batsman than those three.
 

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John1990 did. And as far as peaks go, his 3-4 years have been great but not godly. A better question is, who's a bigger prick? Ponting or Kohli?
 

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I cant wait to see Smith again in tests. If anyone's going to overtake Ponting as their best since Bradman (yes, better than Greg Chappell, Neil Harvey, Border and Waugh), it's him IMO. The ball-tampering cant be worse than anything Warne ever did.
 

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John1990 did. And as far as peaks go, his 3-4 years have been great but not godly. A better question is, who's a bigger prick? Ponting or Kohli?
Did he? That's insane.

I think he meant in all three formats combined or something
 
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Well, Dhawan's catching up in ODIs. De Kock's getting there. I admit that they're still budding players. Ponting was only behind Sachin in his time. Sachin was miles clear of anyone else, sort of like but not to the extent that Viv was better than everyone else. I just cant see Ponting being too far behind Kohli if he was playing right now. In tests, peak Ponting wrecks Kohli. The guy was better than Lara and Sachin at their best at his best (in tests).
Ponting was only indisputablely behind Tendulkar in his time, but he's comparable to a lot of players. Guys like Hussey, Dhoni and Bevan who averaged significantly above him. Guys like klusenar, Gilchrist and Symonds who struck a lot faster. A couple of these did both. I'm not interested in making the argument that any of these guys are actually better than him, but you can see how the argument can be made, whereas for Kohli you are picking guys striking at a similar pace but averaging way less.
 

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Well T20s have really changed everything so across all 3 formats is an unfair comparison, imo. They've changed ODIs too. The only constant is tests and they've gotten easier for batting too. Perth is a road now, of all places.
 

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Ponting was only indisputablely behind Tendulkar in his time, but he's comparable to a lot of players. Guys like Hussey, Dhoni and Bevan who averaged significantly above him. Guys like klusenar, Gilchrist and Symonds who struck a lot faster. A couple of these did both. I'm not interested in making the argument that any of these guys are actually better than him, but you can see how the argument can be made, whereas for Kohli you are picking guys striking at a similar pace but averaging way less.
Well that's a fair argument. My point was in terms of natural talent, Kohli isn't streets ahead of Ponting.
 

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Kohli is also better in the field than both of them and will save runs in the field compared to the other two.
I can't believe so many people have bought into the meme of Kohli being some excellent fielder. The guy has cost us matches with his poor catching yet continues to put himself in the slips like he's Mark Waugh or something. His athleticism is vastly overblown too, doesn't even throw himself around as much as you'd expect.
 

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He's a good fielder outside of the cordon. Did pretty well in the IPL by covering huge ground on the boundary. He's nowhere near as good as Ponting obv.
 

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Ponting was on par with Rhodes and was a lot more versatile than him. Lara was godly in slips, Ponting was too. Ponting took so many stunners everywhere in the field that it's not even a contest.
 

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