Test XI for The Last Quarter Century

[TheJediBrah]

I think the true value of Miyagi's model could be if you're coming up against a team that has you overmatched. Like if we had to play a team of Aliens that were superior athletes and cricketers to us 19 times out of 20 (like Space Jam for cricket), then you need to take a risk and do something ballsy to have a chance of winning.

Maybe picking a classical ATG team full of the best genuine batsmen and bowlers would be competitive, but never win. But picking a team like Miyagi (or that John guy who had Maxwell etc.) might mean you're more likely to lose by a lot more often, but also more likely to get really, really lucky and win if all your hit and miss players come off.

 

[Borges]

Bradman and Trumper face Ashwin in Chennai to get used to it so they can get ready to dominate Murali/Warne whoever is in your second XI.

Trumper wouldn't have needed any practice games to take Murali and Warne to the cleaners.

Bradman, on the other hand, even with all the practice games that he played, would be Murali's bunny; and Warne would have had him for breakfast, lunch and supper and a few snacks in between. If there were eleven Bradmans batting, it would be a waste to have both Murali and Warne in the bowling side; either of them could run through the batting in a jiffy.

Like all the other great posters above, I too speak with an air of absolute certainty.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yea honestly it bothers me too. But I suppose he can be the anchor around whom everyone goes beserk

Or maybe we let Viv, Bevan and Sachin be bowling options too. Then it's Sachin/Jaya/Kohli/Viv/Symonds/Bevan in the the top 6. I'm sure we can squeeze out 10 overs between them without too much damage, right?

Just replace Kallis with Watson. Basically the same ODI player but Watson scores a lot quicker. I rate Watson higher as a death bowler too.

 

[trundler]

Viv was decent enough. At least on par with Jaya, imo. There was a cricinfo article about all rounders who bat top 5 and bowl 5 overs. Viv was right up there. He can contain for a few overs.

 

[cnerd123]

Watson's a good shout to bat at 3 and bowl a bit. Especially in a #BatDeep lineup

I like Kohli at 3 and Viv at 4 tho. Has that air of intimidation to it.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I think the true value of Miyagi's model could be if you're coming up against a team that has you overmatched. Like if we had to play a team of Aliens that were superior athletes and cricketers to us 19 times out of 20 (like Space Jam for cricket), then you need to take a risk and do something ballsy to have a chance of winning.

Maybe picking a classical ATG team full of the best genuine batsmen and bowlers would be competitive, but never win. But picking a team like Miyagi (or that John guy who had Maxwell etc.) might mean you're more likely to lose by a lot more often, but also more likely to get really, really lucky and win if all your hit and miss players come off.

Well when

1 Amla
2 Tendulkar
3 Kohli
4 ABdv cause no offence.

and
9 Pollock
10 Akram
11 Murali
cause no offence.

The issues people have are primarily, no McGrath (#BatDeep victim) and;

5 Watson
6 Buttler
7 Flintoff
8 Kleusner

and going even further,

the real criticism seems to be liking Butler.

So Butler vs Dhoni, de Kock, Gilly - is it that huge as you suggest above?

Also Flintoff has been challenged, is he that much worse than Symonds or whoever you'd have? Flintoff bowls well. That is what I went for as against Symonds. I already have Kluesner.

I don't think my team is all that novel.

Butler seems to be a bug bear for some, no doubt. But is he that bad a player?

Everyone seems to focus on Buttler, and not see Amla at the top with Tendulkar and Kohli. There are rocks at the top.

It is a Butler and Amla combo. It is balanced by me to be so.

 

[trundler]

How often would all 10 have to bat though?

Tbh, I'm just glad my post got 28 pages.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Buttler's definitely novel, but not entirely crazy. I don't think many people will agree that he should be even close to getting picked ahead of Dhoni or Gilchrist, but you shouldn't take it personally. He's not as crazy as, say, picking Luke Ronchi or Kamran Akmal.

 

[cnerd123]

Also batting Watson and Flintoff out of order, and playing them both with Klusener too is kinda unnecessary

And leaving out McGrath. FFS. Just drop Sachin while you're at it too.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Buttler's definitely novel, but not entirely crazy. I don't think many people will agree that he should be even close to getting picked ahead of Dhoni or Gilchrist, but you shouldn't take it personally. He's not as crazy as, say, picking Luke Ronchi or Kamran Akmal.

I don't take it personally. And I know picking him isn't crazy.

I accept Butler is novel. He is never appeared in my ATG reckoning before. But he did yesterday. I went with him and his SR over Dhoni and I don't apologise for it.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Also batting Watson and Flintoff out of order, and playing them both with Klusener too is kinda unnecessary

Unnecessary? It is the whole point - #BatDeep and 6 genuine frontline bowling options.

Also I think Watto is fine at 5, Kluesner is fine at 8, and Flintoff at 7 - I will swap for Cairns if you prefer. But he is the best I could think of. Who are the best ODI all rounders of the last 25 years? I want bowling and batting both. If there is a number 7 who is a better option than Flintoff or Cairns for batting and bowling, I want to hear it. I'm inviting you to tell me.

And leaving out McGrath. FFS.

Dropped him for Pollock. #BatDeep.

 

[cnerd123]

Sachin
Jayasuriya/Watson
Kohli
ABDV
Symonds
Bevan
Dhoni (+)(*)
Pollock
Wasim
Warne
McGrath

A better #BatDeep XI IMO. 4 real ATG bowlers with the top 6 filling in the fifth. Batting till 10.

 

[trundler]

Tbh, I'd say Hadlee was a fair shout if you wanted to #BatDeep and also have a great bowler without much loss in quality but that's a sensitive topic for some of us here.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Sachin
Jayasuriya/Watson
Kohli
ABDV
Symonds
Bevan
Dhoni (+)(*)
Pollock
Wasim
Warne
McGrath

A better #BatDeep XI IMO. 4 real ATG bowlers with the top 6 filling in the fifth. Batting till 10.

Nice team, but I personally want a team that bats even deeper and has 6 frontline bowling options. (Plus I wanted high 6 hitting and SR)

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Tbh, I'd say Hadlee was a fair shout if you wanted to #BatDeep and also have a great bowler without much loss in quality but that's a sensitive topic for some of us here.

Imran would be a lot better than Hadlee for that. But it is the wrong era :P

 

[cnerd123]

Jayasuriya/Watson and Symonds are every bit a frontline bowling option as your Klusener / Watson pairing. I literally have the same player FFS

Your other foursome of Flintoff Wasim Pollock Murali is clearly inferior to Pollock Wasim Warne McGrath

My team's clearly better at batting as well. And is a more successful team in pressure games - no no-showing Amla or Klusener getting runout with 1 to win.

It's just a better team Mr Miyagi.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Jayasuriya/Watson and Symonds are every bit a frontline bowling option as your Klusener / Watson pairing. I literally have the same player FFS

Your other foursome of Flintoff Wasim Pollock Murali is clearly inferior to Pollock Wasim Warne McGrath

My team's clearly better at batting as well. And is a more successful team in pressure games - no no-showing Amla or Klusener getting runout with 1 to win.

It's just a better team Mr Miyagi.

I am not persuaded that your team bats better than mine, nor would it strike as high. I do like Symonds, though and I nearly included him but I am still with Flintoff for better bowling than him and I have stuck with Watto.

Your team does bowl better than mine, I concede that. McGrath certainly outbowls Freddy.

But I don't concede your team bats better than mine. And that is where we differ.

 

[cnerd123]

So you're wrong, but you're okay with it then.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

So you're wrong, but you're okay with it then.

No, I have difference of opinion on team selection philosophy to you. Neither of us are wrong.

You have built your team one way. I have built mine another way. There are many more differing philosophies from us in how to construct these teams too.

 

[cnerd123]

No we used the same philosophy, you've just picked a worse team