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State & Future of New Zealand Cricket

Matt52

U19 Vice-Captain
IMO Taylor is good enough to bat anywhere (Twose usually batted five, didn't he?).

McMillan, on the other hand, isn't. He's wasted at five or six.

Maybe. But I've always thought McMillan had quite some potential, and Fulton's never remotely convinced me. Did well at first against a Mickey-Mouse Sri Lankan side and has done virtually sod-all since.
Taylor has always batted no3 for his provincial side, and so should stay there.

Twose was moved to 4 for a large part of his career based on performances.

The problem with McMillan is that he doesnt want to bat higher than 4 or 5. Even for his provincial side, he bats 4 at the highest. I remember him saying in articles that he prefers to bat 5 or 6. I agree in a way, he would be better higher up, but he simply doesnt want to. And, Im pretty sure that Taylor and Fleming would be first choice at no3 and 4.
 

Matt52

U19 Vice-Captain
We lost to England today so something has to change quickly. I get the feeling that if England get a bit of confidence then we could be the team they take thier frustrations out on. So something in NZ cricket has to change. Change the format. Change the coaches , change the management, change the players, change the grounds. Change something or everything.

NOW IS THE TIME TO PANIC PEOPLE:blink: :wacko: :shocking: :cry: :sp_ike: :scared:
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
It's not.

Oram as a batsman bears many, many resemblences to Cairns, and while as a bowler he is totally different, in ODIs that makes him potentially better, though in Tests clearly nowhere near as good.
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Astle has had his moments of brilliance most notably that double hundred @ Christchurch that i'm sure you'll never forget, but time and again has looked a bit ruffled againts top quality bowling.
That's because it's "top quality bowling" maybe?
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
It's not.

Oram as a batsman bears many, many resemblences to Cairns, and while as a bowler he is totally different, in ODIs that makes him potentially better, though in Tests clearly nowhere near as good.
Because he's a big allrounder he bears many resemblances as a batsman?

Oram has had plenty of chances to prove his worth as a ODI batsman, and has failed to make a mark. Plus he's had injury issues already, I very much doubt he'll ever hold a candle to Chris Cairns in the pyjama game.
 

Fiery

Banned
It's not.

Oram as a batsman bears many, many resemblences to Cairns, and while as a bowler he is totally different, in ODIs that makes him potentially better, though in Tests clearly nowhere near as good.
I can't see any similarities apart from the fact they both hit it a long way. They stand on opposite sides of the crease for a start
 
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Macka

U19 Vice-Captain
Oram is so over-rated!

What ever happened to Richard Sherlock and Te Atu Davis?
Nothing. But there was nothing there to begin with. They're both young players talked up by members of this forum. They've played a handful of domestic games and hardly impressed. Barely worth mentioning.
 

Will Scarlet

U19 Debutant
Nothing. But there was nothing there to begin with. They're both young players talked up by members of this forum. They've played a handful of domestic games and hardly impressed. Barely worth mentioning.
At least Sherlock took a few wickets, but seemed to be injury-prone. Davis never achieved that much.
 

Fiery

Banned
The demise of players like Te Ahu Davis point out a problem within NZ cricket that administration should place more emphasis on. We have a huge population base of naturally talented Maori and Polynesians sportsmen who have not been encouraged to take up cricket. If we could tap into that market the way that rugby and league has then we could be world-beaters. I would love to see a future where we have 2 or 3 big-hitting Maori, Samoan, Tongan or Fijian boys coming in wearing a Black Cap with 15-20 overs to go and smacking the ball to all places. We already know they are not too interested in test cricket but hopefully 20/20 will encourage more of them to take up the game and sports administrators and sports gear retailers will wake up to the fact.
 
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Prince EWS

Global Moderator
How often has he had the ODI chance to play long innings?

IMO he's every bit as good as Cairns in ODIs (and certainly on-track to be better with the bat in Tests while nowhere near as good with the ball).
It really depends on your definition of a "long innings."

Regardless of which though, you have selected him to bat at #6. He has done such 33 times for an average of 14.57 and a HS of 43. Obviously, whatever is being required of him at 6 isn't something he is particularly good at.

I don't doubt his place in the team, due to his bowling really, but his batting is not good enough for #6, clearly.
 

Fiery

Banned
How often has he had the ODI chance to play long innings?

IMO he's every bit as good as Cairns in ODIs (and certainly on-track to be better with the bat in Tests while nowhere near as good with the ball).
Oram never be fit to lace Cairnsy's bootlaces when it comes to providing pure excitement at the prospect of him coming into bat and hitting it out of the park, in either form of the game. There hasn't been anything more exciting in NZ cricket than a Cairns-special innings since the days of Hadlee - Brisbane '85/86. Why did he retire before the next World Cup?
 
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Craig

World Traveller
Because he's a big allrounder he bears many resemblances as a batsman?

Oram has had plenty of chances to prove his worth as a ODI batsman, and has failed to make a mark. Plus he's had injury issues already, I very much doubt he'll ever hold a candle to Chris Cairns in the pyjama game.
Well surely that is the one thing they do have in common?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Because he's a big allrounder he bears many resemblances as a batsman?

Oram has had plenty of chances to prove his worth as a ODI batsman, and has failed to make a mark. Plus he's had injury issues already, I very much doubt he'll ever hold a candle to Chris Cairns in the pyjama game.
He is technically very good, and can mis-hit the ball a long way. He also - like Cairns - can hit the ball well over the top of the field.

IMO Oram is a good enough ODI bowler to keep himself in the side and hopefully will have more chances as a batsman higher up the order in the coming years.

EDIT... uh, God, I forgot you need a dash in mis-hit...
 
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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I can't see any similarities apart from the fact they both hit it a long way. They stand on opposite sides of the crease for a start
Well so did Michael Slater and Saeed Anwar, and they too had similarities...
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
It really depends on your definition of a "long innings."

Regardless of which though, you have selected him to bat at #6. He has done such 33 times for an average of 14.57 and a HS of 43. Obviously, whatever is being required of him at 6 isn't something he is particularly good at.

I don't doubt his place in the team, due to his bowling really, but his batting is not good enough for #6, clearly.
Well if Vettori's batting #5, you're really in trouble...
 

Fiery

Banned
I can be guilty of Cairns-worshipping at times and "it honestly wouldn't take too much for me to turn for him" but didn't want the world to know. Boy do we miss him in the side at the moment
 
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