Scyld Berry 30 greatest test fast bowlers

[Johan]

There were 28 English votes.

Should we assume that’s why Hobbs got 30 votes or Hammond 18 votes or Hutton 11 votes?

wasn't the process like super strange? I remember reading all the hundred voters got 5 votes each, and immediately two went to Sir Donald Bradman and Sir Garfield Sobers as those two being the two greatest cricketers ever is and was common sense, leaving the voters with 3 votes each functionally, so even the most biased englishman would only be able to squeeze three English players in their votes, the five highest rated English bats were Doctor Grace, Hobbs, Hammond, Hutton and Compton, then you have Larwood, Trueman and Botham, and then you get to Sydney Barnes and Wilfred Rhodes, so the English players definitely had much more competition.

Feel like the method is too weird to really be applicable or credible.

 

[DrWolverine]

wasn't the process like super strange?

They could have at least avoided Don Bradman.

 

[DrWolverine]

I wonder who would be the top 5 cricketers in the last 75 years(no Don) if such a process were held today.

 

[Johan]

Sobers would still be number 1

 

[DrWolverine]

The other 4 would be interesting

 

[Johan]

In 2025, I reckon Trueman would beat Compton among English Cricketers, Compton would still probably go above Sutcliffe and Barrington even if I think Sutcliffe was superior and Barrington was a practical equal, no chance he is beating Hutton again.

 

[sayon basak]

The other 4 would be interesting

Sachin
Imran
Viv then probably
No idea after that.

 

[subshakerz]

The other 4 would be interesting

Would likely be Sachin, Warne, Viv and maybe Imran or Lillee or possibly Kallis

 

[capt_Luffy]

Through our the 70's Barry was seen as better.

Though yes, the time he was seen as the best in the world was '70 to '76 when Viv took the crown.

Was literally done by 77 and retired after a mid season in 78.

 

[subshakerz]

Was literally done by 77 and retired after a mid season in 78.

I don't see how being seen as better for 5 years makes a better bat when the other plays a decade longer.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't see how being seen as better for 5 years makes a better bat when the other plays a decade longer.

Not to mention, it literally was Barry as an established bat in his peak and Gavaskar beginning his Test career. If not for some crazy performance like Richards in 1976, it takes a fair few years and performances for a new batsman to get a higher rating than an established one.

 

[subshakerz]

Not to mention, it literally was Barry as an established bat in his peak and Gavaskar beginning his Test career. If not for some crazy performance like Richards in 1976, it takes a fair few years and performances for a new batsman to get a higher rating than an established one.

All should be fairly clear for Kyear but somehow he persists in these tired points.

 

[Johan]

I don't get the logic of rating Barry but writing off Compton's peer reputation, which was absurdly high, as just fanatic romanticism. That one actually irked me if I am honest, peer reputation should be used for all before 2000s or none at all, it sometimes does just come down to favouritism though.

 

[DrWolverine]

If I am honest, peer reputation should be used for all before 2000s or none at all, it sometimes does just come down to favouritism though.

Why 2000?

 

[DrWolverine]

If I am honest, peer reputation should be used for all before 2000s or none at all, it sometimes does just come down to favouritism though.

It is normal for batsmen with elegant strokes, aggressive charisma or unique flair tend to be celebrated more. The ones who look good doing it are remembered as “greats” while the efficient, consistent ones can be unfairly labeled as dull even if their numbers are just as good.

 

[Thala_0710]

I don't get the logic of rating Barry but writing off Compton's peer reputation, which was absurdly high, as just fanatic romanticism. That one actually irked me if I am honest, peer reputation should be used for all before 2000s or none at all, it sometimes does just come down to favouritism though.

Agree with your point completely.
But also Barry beating Compton in your poll was fun too

 

[Johan]

Agree with your point completely.
But also Barry beating Compton in your poll was fun too

Walcott backshotting and blowing away Kanhai's back is pretty fun too, same with Weekes and Greenidge

 

[Thala_0710]

Walcott backshotting and blowing away Kanhai's back is pretty fun too, same with Weekes and Greenidge

I thought I had been put on ignore.
The most fun part though was that the Barry-Compton poll had been created by you yourself, unlike the other examples.
The only thing more fun recently has been Gill showing Brook what a real generational talent looks like

 

[Johan]

I thought I had been put on ignore

you are but as they say, curiosity kills the cat

 

[Johan]