Thala_0710
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If someone has that data, it could be pretty useful actually. Do you know if it's possible to get it or if someone has it here?
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Sachin vs Viv against spin
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capt_Luffy
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Someone posted it but forgot who. Was it @Johan ?? I believe it was almost a clean cut, with 17/18 at one end and 32/33 at the other with a clear WPM drop
Thala_0710
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Congdon wasn't half bad in the 70s
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I think after Warne, Murali and O'Reilly, you can make a case that the next ten spinners all belong in one tier and there isn't a strict criteria to set an order.
capt_Luffy
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Also on WPM, 4.17 vs 3.45. On removing SL and NZ, Underwood's WPM is just 3.21, which is really really poor, especially for a frontline spinner
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The reason I rate Tendulkar ahead is mainly because because of his dominance over Warne
He was ok vs Murali and against the next level of spinners I think he did about as well as what Viv faced.
He was ok vs Murali and against the next level of spinners I think he did about as well as what Viv faced.
capt_Luffy
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31. If you have to stop to Congdon as the 2nd best batter after someone who wasn't even an ATVG in Tests, think it's fair to say their batting wasn't much.
capt_Luffy
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Viv generally struggled in Sydney to Trundlers for some reason I believe. Not 100% sure tho
govinda indian fan
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In tier past warne and murali. He struggled only vs saqlain. Did well vs everyone else
Thala_0710
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WPM definitely brings it closer. I agree with that
govinda indian fan
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He also struggled vs border which is mindblowing considering he did well vs bedi
Thala_0710
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Tendulkar struggled with cronje too tbf. Sometimes some things just happen
Thala_0710
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Anyway, I had forgotten about Asif and Underwood tbh. Thanks to @capt_Luffy they should be receiving at least 1 vote soon
capt_Luffy
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The problem (though to no fault of his own) with Viv vs Spin is both his best Series vs Spin were in his first 2 years of Test cricket. Later on he faced mostly duds.
capt_Luffy
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Chandra deserves a vote ahead of Underwood. Bigger match winner away, better in Australia and Significantly in WI, 1 WPM difference alongside the 1 AVG without minnow level batting sides.
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He didn't struggle against Border.
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1980 in Pakistan with Qasim and Qadir.
Also a top knock in India in 89 on a spinning wicket.
Thala_0710
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You tried in the Chandra vs Underwood thread too. Underwood won there. It's time to give up.
capt_Luffy
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Moments but nothing consistent. Also feel 1980 Imran was the bigger challenge
capt_Luffy
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People can be dumb. We both agree. I won this debate here fair and square.