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Ashwin seems to be highly rated here.
Not as high as I'd like. I think he's up there with Warne. A better performer than him at home, by a fair margin. So, around top 10-15 bowlers all time for mine.Ashwin seems to be highly rated here.
Not as high as I'd like. I think he's up there with Warne. A better performer than him at home, by a fair margin. So, around top 10-15 bowlers all time for mine.
Where do you rank Dravid in ATG bats?Still going Dravid though. Massively underrated bat. Tendulkar + Dravid made for a titanic middle order for India.
You are only half right. Neither is an ATG.As much as I love Dravid, he is not an ATG. Ash is.
Nah I am always right.You are only half right. Neither is an ATG.
..... But but, he struggled against quality pace and quality spin.Dravid is absolutely an ATG in every definition of the world
Average over 50 over a LONG period of time
average as strong away from home as at home
iconic innings in the matches that changed the trajectory of Indian test cricket
Was for a period of at least five years one of the three best in the world
He’s not Tendulkar but iseither the second or third best batsman India produced and arguably the mostw
And your basis for excluding Dravid?You are only half right. Neither is an ATG.
ashwin has been better the last few times they’ve gone head to headPlayers who are as condition dependent as Ashwin should be instantly disregarded as ATG material.
I would take Lyon any day of the week in SENA over Ashwin.
ATGs are ATG XI material, or at least worthy to consider for it. Dravid isn't that.And your basis for excluding Dravid?
Lyon has won games in England and NZ, and has been less hopeless than Ashwin in SA, plus an entire career in Australia which is supposed to be death for off spinners. Easily better than Ashwin in SENA.Unless it's a proper raging turner, Lyon tends to need bounce. Isn't great on slow low turners. Had a recent failure in Sri Lanka where I don't think Ashwin would ever miss out. Sydney is traditionally the spinning ground in Australia. But Lyon has a bad record there because of the lack of bounce.
Yeah I'd still take Lyon over Ashwin outside Asia, but think the gap in Asia is bigger.Lyon has won games in England and NZ, and has been less hopeless than Ashwin in SA, plus an entire career in Australia.
Ashwin easily in Asia and overall too but it's more because of condition boosting his record.Yeah I'd still take Lyon over Ashwin outside Asia, but think the gap in Asia is bigger.
you rate Ashwin as a better bowler than Warne right?Not as high as I'd like. I think he's up there with Warne. A better performer than him at home, by a fair margin. So, around top 10-15 bowlers all time for mine.