Rank these post war, pre professional era greats on their primary skill (Lindwall, Weekes, Harvey, May, Trueman, Cowdrey, Barrington)

[kyear2]

For me it's the two quicks at the top, and I change my mind on their order constantly. I also go back and forth on the order of May and Harvey. In fact, the only one here I'm sure of is that Cowdrey is last (sorry, m'Lord).

Yeah, Lindwall at the top, Cowdrey at the bottom.

 

[kyear2]

decisively superior wicket taker, era wise he is the most destructive fast bowler of them all, even moreso than Steyn and Waqar as his strike rate is even more outlierish than them with respect to era. if Trueman and Lindwall play 100 games together, Trueman would've around 86 more wickets as his WPM is 4.58 to Lindwall's 3.72.

I also don't really think their away records are 1:1, I just say Lindwall has better away achievements while Trueman better home record.

Didn't Lindwall play to a later age than Trueman, impacting his WPM?

Also don't Trumeman have slightly more favorable conditions on a whole? Not quite that simple.

 

[Johan]

Didn't Lindwall play to a later age than Trueman, impacting his WPM?

Also don't Trumeman have slightly more favorable conditions on a whole? Not quite that simple.

even if you cut years to 1956, at that point Lindwall would have a longevity issue, Lindwall will only come upto 3.85WPM in a 10 year career, he'd still be 60-70wkts behind in a 100 match sample size.

at the end of the day, Trueman just has a ten points lower strike rate, that's why there's the gap, not because of matches or whatever.

roughly compareable conditions even with the Bradman/post war England inflation on Lindwall's side, upping the scale on his end.

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[Coronis]

Weekes vs Barrington is interesting.

Away bully over home bully erryday

 

[kyear2]

Away bully over home bully erryday

What if both bullies are taking advantage of similar conditions?

 

[Johan]

Away bully over home bully erryday

To be fair, Barrington got unusually generous away wickets, on the flipside, Barrington had pretty spicy home conditions and he still was very good in them, pretty consistent Ashes scores even in spicy conditions even with the lack of hundreds, especially ABD-esque consistency under crisis, that's actually one of the more underrated things about him to me.

 

[Coronis]

What if both bullies are taking advantage of similar conditions?

Let me put it in context

Weekes @ Home 2420 @ 69.14
Other Windies batsmen (1-6) @ Home 8539 @ 45.91

Barrington @ Away 3459 @ 69.18
Other English batsmen (1-6) @ Away 11192 @ 40.85

 

[sayon basak]

Let me put it in context

Weekes @ Home 2420 @ 69.14
Other Windies batsmen (1-6) @ Home 8539 @ 45.91

Barrington @ Away 3459 @ 69.18
Other English batsmen (1-6) @ Away 11192 @ 40.85

Don't think Barrington had as good batters as Walcott and Worrell in his team.

 

[Coronis]

Don't think Barrington had as good batters as Walcott and Worrell in his team.

Idk seems more like his team was full of HTBs

Weekes away 2035 @ 49.63
Other Windies 1-6 6929 @ 34.64

Barrington home 3347 @ 50.71
Other English 1-6 13835 @ 39.64

So the other Windies bats averaged 10+ more at home than away.

Other English bats averaged +1 away over home.

 

[shortpitched713]

Away bully over home bully erryday

I respect the hell out of both batsmen, but doesn't Weekes have the advantage in terms of there being lower scores in the matches he played?

Correct me if I'm wrong of course, but that's what I remembered.

 

[Coronis]

I respect the hell out of both batsmen, but doesn't Weekes have the advantage in terms of there being lower scores in the matches he played?

Correct me if I'm wrong of course, but that's what I remembered.

Batting average in games Weekes played - 32.79
Batting average in games Barrington played - 31.85

 

[shortpitched713]

Batting average in games Weekes played - 32.79
Batting average in games Barrington played - 31.85

Mmkay stand corrected. Not a huge difference, but not in the direction I expected.

 

[Johan]

Mmkay stand corrected. Not a huge difference, but not in the direction I expected.

idk why you're shocked.

West Indies had comparatively weaker bowling, so their opponents would always score higher, the RPW goes up.

West Indies had incredibly strong batting, so they would always score more, the RPW goes up.

England had one elite ATG bowler (Fred), an elite ATVG bowler (Statham) and a plethora of competent spinners, opponents would score less, RPW goes down.

England had comparatively weaker batting, so they would score less, RPW goes down.