Rangana Herath vs Ravindra Jadeja

[PlayerComparisons]

Two ATG left arm spinners

 

[subshakerz]

Herath pretty much equal at home with Jadeja but better away from home.

 

[Silver Silva]

Yeah it's Jadeja ..Herath was a late bloomer

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Herath pretty much equal at home with Jadeja but better away from home.

Hearth was awful away from home. Averaged 33+ mostly everywhere away from home(33 in Aus, 45 in Eng, 54 in India, 64 in NZ, 35 in SA etc). And he wasn’t nearly as good as Jadeja in SC. He sucked in the SC outside Sri Lanka.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Jadeja has played less away from home, but is clearly better.

 

[subshakerz]

Jadeja has played less away from home, but is clearly better.

He has been shielded away from home by being in a much better attack and not shouldering the load. Not saying Herath is great away from or anything but there is no point just looking at averages between these two limited bowlers outside home, Herath to me had more slightly more demonstrated capacity to impact games.

Hearth was awful away from home. Averaged 33+ mostly everywhere away from home(33 in Aus, 45 in Eng, 54 in India, 64 in NZ, 35 in SA etc). And he wasn’t nearly as good as Jadeja in SC. He sucked in the SC outside Sri Lanka.

You say that as if Jadeja has some stellar away record. He has hardly played at all in SL and SA. The only countries he has played at length in are WI and England.

I will grant Herath failed in India, which is a black mark. England has done roughly as bad as Jadeja.

Did somewhat well in UAE, winning them the series in 2018.. Australia was actually a good series by Herath in 2012 from what I recall on some total flat tracks. In SA, Herath actually won a game with the ball.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

He has been shielded away from home by being in a much better attack and not shouldering the load. Not saying Herath is great away from or anything but there is no point just looking at averages between these two, Herath to me had more capacity to impact games.


You say that as if Jadeja has some stellar away record. He has hardly played at all in SL and SA. The only countries he has played at length in are WI and England.

I will grant Herath failed in India, which is a black mark. England has done roughly as bad as Jadeja.

Did somewhat well in UAE, winning them the series in 2018.. Australia was actually a good series by Herath in 2012 from what I recall on some total flat tracks. In SA, Herath actually won a game with the ball.

Yes but Hearth has still failed away. Jadeja has a good record in Australia even for lesser number of matches. Hearth hasn’t dominated in the SC apart from SL, and has even sucked in Bangladesh. And even Jadeja has a fifer in SA. Whatever capacity or potential may be, Hearth was horrible away and horrible in SC apart from SL. And even Jadeja would do well in UAE. Jadeja is far better in WI also. There is no objective reason to say that Hearth is better away.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

And even in the minimal number of matches in SL, Jadeja has been miles better than Hearth in India. So both are equally good at home, Jadeja better in WI, and better in SL than Hearth is in India.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Herath had some really spicy pitches at home as well

 

[subshakerz]

Yes but Hearth has still failed away. Jadeja has a good record in Australia even for lesser number of matches. Hearth hasn’t dominated in the SC apart from SL, and has even sucked in Bangladesh. And even Jadeja has a fifer in SA. Whatever capacity or potential may be, Hearth was horrible away and horrible in SC apart from SL. And even Jadeja would do well in UAE.

And even in the minimal number of matches in SL, Jadeja has been miles better than Hearth in India

If you want to give Jadeja credit for 2 games in SL, then do so for Herath in UAE, where he actually won them the series there for the first time, a big achievement.

If you are going to give Jadeja credit for bit performances in Australia, then do so for Herath in 2012 where he had zero support and did about as good as you can expect a left arm finger spinner to do on those flat tracks.

If you are going to entirely ignore Jadeja in England, then do that for Herath.

If you are going to give Jadeja credit for a meaningless expensive fifer in SA, then do so for Herath who actually won a game there.

Herath only suffers because he played more and had a worse support attack and had to do the donkey bowlers job often, this is obvious if we get past these double standards. Again, not saying he is some all-star performer, but objectively more proven away than Jadeja.

 

[subshakerz]

Herath had some really spicy pitches at home as well

Yes, maybe not as much as Jadeja, but then Herath has a great home record too.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

If you want to give Jadeja credit for 2 games in SL, then do so for Herath in UAE, where he actually won them the series there for the first time, a big achievement.

If you are going to give Jadeja credit for bit performances in Australia, then do so for Herath in 2012 where he had zero support and did about as good as you can expect a left arm finger spinner to do on those flat tracks.

If you are going to ignore Jadeja in England, then do that for Herath.

If you are going to give Jadeja credit for a meaningless expensive fifer in SA, then do so for Herath who actually won a game there.

Herath only suffers because he played more and had a worse support attack and had to do the donkey bowlers job often, this is obvious.

Sure I do all of that. Jadeja was as bad in Eng as Hearth. And sure they are equally good in Aus, since Hearth had lesser support than Ashwin. They both have a fifer each in SA, Hearth marginally better but he has failed aplenty there too. Also Jadeja in way better in WI as well, and Jadeja would well on UAE pitches also. Plus Jadeja’s performance in SL is way better than Hearth in India.

 

[subshakerz]

Sure I do all of that. Jadeja was as bad in Eng as Hearth. And sure they are equally good in Aus, since Hearth had lesser support than Ashwin. They both have a fifer each in SA, Hearth marginally better but he has failed aplenty there too. Also Jadeja in way better in WI as well, and Jadeja would well on UAE pitches also. Plus Jadeja’s performance in SL is way better than Hearth in India.

Ok this is a bit fairer, except for giving credit to how Jadeja would hypothetically do in UAE.

I think, all said and done, I go for the bowler who can demonstrate the ability to run through a side in different conditions, and I think away from home I would bank on Herath more. But yes it is close.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Ok this is a bit fairer, except for giving credit to how Jadeja would hypothetically do in UAE.

I think, all said and done, I go for the bowler who can demonstrate the ability to run through a side in different conditions, and I think away from home I would bank on Herath more. But yes it is close.

Jadeja’s performance in Australia late this year would be important in this context

 

[subshakerz]

Jadeja’s performance in Australia late this year would be important in this context

Yup for Ashwin too.

 

[ma1978]

Ok this is a bit fairer, except for giving credit to how Jadeja would hypothetically do in UAE.

I think, all said and done, I go for the bowler who can demonstrate the ability to run through a side in different conditions, and I think away from home I would bank on Herath more. But yes it is close.

except he’s never done it

 

[ma1978]

I originally voted for Herath because I assumed that he must have been good given how fat he was. But then I looked the numbers - he’s awful outside of SL

 

[reyrey]

Herath is a 4 innings specialist. Basically a bowler who needs a helpful wicket as he aint doing much with the ball otherwise.

 

[Silver Silva]

Herath is a 4 innings specialist. Basically a bowler who needs a helpful wicket as he aint doing much with the ball otherwise.

This is the life of an orthodox off spinner , they work very hard for their wickets..

 

[Socerer 01]

Yup for Ashwin too.

would be shocked if they play them both together through the entire series even if they should