Rangana Herath vs Graeme Swann

[subshakerz]

Comes under greatness for me after a certain threshold is met.

Whats the threshold for a bat and bowler?

Because we don't judge players on peak, we are obliged to judge how they handle the stresses of longer careers as a part of player ability.

 

[Johan]

Whats the threshold for a bat and bowler?

Because we don't judge players on peak, we are obliged to judge how they handle the stresses of longer careers as a part of player ability.

11-12 years for Elite Bats.

 

[subshakerz]

11-12 for Elite Bats.

Ok but someone with 70 to 90 percent more of a career with success has to be given some advantages.

 

[Johan]

Ok but someone with 70 to 90 percent more of a career with success has to be given some advantages.

Greater bat

 

[sayon basak]

Greater bat

 

[subshakerz]

Greater bat

Ok but to me it's still better bat because it's pure record and skill assessment.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I mean yeah but still. Swann obliterates Herath on match factor (1.4 vs 1.25), has a good/great record everywhere. Multiple series winning contributions away from home. Quite one sided for me

Swann played in a very small window though

 

[Thala_0710]

Swann played in a very small window though

He did, but that's about the only thing one can be critical of, and his record in Aus.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He did, but that's about the only thing one can be critical of, and his record in Aus.

That's pretty much a huge of my criteria though.

 

[Johan]

Herath's whole record outside SL is a problem tho

 

[OverratedSanity]

Herath's whole record outside SL is a problem tho

He had some great performance in non spin friendly countries. Had a really good tour of Australia and won them a test in SA in 2011/12.

 

[Johan]

He had some great performance in non spin friendly countries. Had a really good tour of Australia and won them a test in SA in 2011/12.

a couple of good performances inbetween aren't really going to make up for such an absurd lack of consistency outside home though.

 

[subshakerz]

a couple of good performances inbetween aren't really going to make up for such an absurd lack of consistency outside home though.

Ashwin has the same issue. Swann is a proven performer across conditions.

 

[capt_Luffy]

a couple of good performances inbetween aren't really going to make up for such an absurd lack of consistency outside home though.

Herath was pretty good in Australia, Pakistan and given impact, fine in SA though. But yeah, sucked everywhere else.

 

[subshakerz]

Herath was pretty good in Australia, Pakistan and given impact, fine in SA though. But yeah, sucked everywhere else.

He was pretty ok overall as an away spinner to be honest, not horrible.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He was pretty ok overall as an away spinner to be honest, not horrible.

He was pretty horrible in England, NZ, India and WI. Overall, serviceably fine.

 

[MasterBlaster24]

Herath has a poor away record, and I agree with that. His home record, however, cannot be disregarded. With an outstanding WPM of 5.6 he claimed 278 wickets at an average of 23.65 in those 49 home games.

He had to carry the weight of a bs bowling attack. He literally had no bowling support at all.

Statistics of Sri Lankan bowlers from the time of Murali's retirement to Herath's retirement

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...al1=span;team=8;template=results;type=bowling

These two are, in my opinion, much more comparable than most people realise. Additionally, we must take longevity into account when comparing them.

 

[subshakerz]

Herath has a poor away record, and I agree with that. His home record, however, cannot be disregarded. With an outstanding WPM of 5.6 he claimed 278 wickets at an average of 23.65 in those 49 home games.

He had to carry the weight of a bs bowling attack. He literally had no bowling support at all.

Statistics of Sri Lankan bowlers from the time of Murali's retirement to Herath's retirement

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...al1=span;team=8;template=results;type=bowling

These two are, in my opinion, much more comparable than most people realise. Additionally, we must take longevity into account when comparing them.

Yeah he was awesome at home and somewhat comparable to Ashwin Jadeja as his pitches were not as spicy.

 

[Johan]

Yeah he was awesome at home and somewhat comparable to Ashwin Jadeja as his pitches were not as spicy.

Swann or Ashwin

 

[subshakerz]

Swann or Ashwin

Herath