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Peter May vs Clement Hill
- Thread starter Johan
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Thala_0710
International Captain
Hill just for me... I don't think Trumper and Hill have a big difference between them tbh
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
May for his away Ashes imo, averaged 40 in Australia, Hill 28. Plus May averages 57 at home, Hill 41.
Thala_0710
International Captain
Yeah but Hill plays on significantly tougher wkts though... Especially away from home
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Batting average in Hill's games in England – 23.68
Batting average in May's games in Australia – 25.36
Rest of Australian Batsmen in Hill's English Ashes – 20.36
Rest of English Batsmen in May's Australian Ashes – 21.06
May averaged 40 in Australian Ashes, Hill did 29 in English. May also had significantly tougher home conditions
Thala_0710
International Captain
Would need to check but don't think so. Agree on the fact though that May did better at home
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Batting average in Hill's games in Australia – 28.38
Batting average in May's games in England – 24.80
Batting average in Hill's games in Australian Ashes – 27.41
Batting average in May's games in English Ashes – 24.72
May 57 at home and 54 in English Ashes, Hill did 41 at home and 39 in Australian Ashes.
Thala_0710
International Captain
How did you get 24.8? It's 29.12 on statsguru..
It's 28.54 in the English Ashes....
For Hill those numbers look closer to correct
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Nah this doesn't work because the Engine registration of the equation leads to him calculating the output of home teams and adding it all in, IE in England it would take England's overall, in Australia it would only take Australia's overall output, in West Indies it would only take West Indies's overall output etc, add all of it up and give you the output of home teams in all of May's games with no geographical limits.
the overall output with both teams combined in England in May's games is 24.80
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
The overall output with both teams combined in Australia in Hill's games is 28.38
basically May has harder home conditions and while Hill's English Ashes was harder than May's Australian Ashes, the latter's performance is superior by a larger margin that renders it meaningless
Thala_0710
International Captain
Fair enoughNah this doesn't work because the Engine registration of the equation leads to him calculating the output of home teams and adding it all in, IE in England it would take England's overall, in Australia it would only take Australia's overall output, in West Indies it would only take West Indies's overall output etc, add all of it up and give you the output of home teams in all of May's games with no geographical limits.
the overall output with both teams combined in England in May's games is 24.80
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
stats.espncricinfo.com
The overall output with both teams combined in Australia in Hill's games is 28.38
basically May has harder home conditions and while Hill's English Ashes was harder than May's Australian Ashes, the latter's performance is superior by a larger margin that renders it meaningless
MasterBlaster24
U19 Cricketer
Batting average is that low mainly because of England's bowling, to be honest.
Bowling stats of other teams against England when Peter May was in the side.
England's bowling stats against other teams when Peter May was in the side.
That said, both the Australian and South African (1955) bowling attacks performed exceptionally well during that period.
So his batting performances against Australia in home Ashes series and against South Africa were truly legendary, and he deserves massive credit for that.
And finally, it’s worth mentioning that his performances in the away Ashes were also outstanding.
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Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, West Indies seem to have gotten pretty flat pitches in 1957 but generally this statistic is ridiculous as only two serieses even extend beyond 30 average in May's era.Batting average is that low mainly because of England's bowling, to be honest.
Bowling stats of other teams against England when Peter May was in the side.
England's bowling stats against other teams when Peter May was in the side.
That said, both the Australian and South African (1955) bowling attacks performed exceptionally well during that period.
So his batting performances against Australia in home Ashes series and against South Africa were truly legendary, and he deserves massive credit for that.
And finally, it’s worth mentioning that his performances in the away Ashes were also outstanding.
Going by touring bowlers, touring bowlers in Hill era Australia averaged 31.67
while touring bowlers to May's England averaged 32.46, less than one point difference and would be equal if Hill was as good as May likely
You pointed out Australia and South Africa, In Hill's home games they were the only tourists and had inferior output to what Australia and South Africa had in May's England
all in all, the home conditions are at worst imo relative and at best in May's favour, and it's 57 vs 41, against the two common tourists at home that Hill got IE Australia and South Africa, May averages 60.
as you showed, May was great in away Ashes, Hill wasn't.
MasterBlaster24
U19 Cricketer
Pitches in England in the 1950s were generally bowling-friendly.
But Yeah, that’s because Trueman and co. were elite with the ball in that era in England, like I mentioned earlier. They were kinda like the Ashwin and Jadeja duo at home, literally unplayable.
I rate May > Hill as Test batters too, so no issue with that.
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