*Official* WTC FINAL Australia vs South Africa 2025

[Qlder]

**** me how **** is your comprehension? I said #4 is generally the batting position of the best bat in a test side, as has been the case for a while.

And I said you were wrong in relation to Australia. Border and Waugh were ATG best bats for Aistralia at 5 and 6, Ponting, Ian Chappell and Bradman best ever at 3

Smith has had fantastic success at 3 so shouldn't be an issue moving him up so Green can bat 4

 

[Coronis]

And I said you were wrong in relation to Australia. Border and Waugh were ATG best bats for Aistralia at 5 and 6, Ponting, Ian Chappell and Bradman best ever at 3

Smith has had fantastic success at 3 so shouldn't be anissue moving him up so Green can bat 4

Border actually played most often at 4. And like I said I wasn’t even talking about Australia.

Point is anyway you don’t move the best batsman in your side from their preferred position.

 

[Qlder]

Border actually played most often at 4. And like I said I wasn’t even talking about Australia.

Point is anyway you don’t move the best batsman in your side from their preferred position.

Yes technically you are correct with Border having 61 tests at #4. But fans who watched him know he was a 5 or 6 with 106 tests in those spots (58 at 5 and 48 at 6)

 

[Coronis]

Yes technically you are correct with Border having 61 innings at #4. But fans who watched him know he was a 5 or 6 with 106 innings in those spots (58 at 5 and 48 at 6)

Do you know what an innings is? I don’t think you do.

Anyway he played 124 innings at 3 or 4 and 133 at 5 or 6. Not much of a difference. But like I said, my underlying point remains.

 

[Qlder]

Borders record shows he was willing to bat anywhere in the order to help his team....Smith not so much it appears as he can only bat #4 (after he failed as an opener)

 

[Gob]

Moving Smith from 4 now is as moronic as it gets

 

[Qlder]

Moving Smith from 4 now is as moronic as it gets

Why,, Smith has 1744 runs @ 67.07 batting #3 and should have stayed there instead of batting behind Labuschagne. Easy move to let Green bat #4 as he's not up to bat 3

 

[Coronis]

Why,, Smith has 1744 runs @ 67.07 batting #3 and should have stayed there instead of batting behind Labuschagne. Easy move to let Green bat #4 as he's not up to bat 3

Because you don’t move the best batsman from their preferred position. Its not that hard of a concept to grasp. You also do realise that Smith only played at #3 in the middle of his peak right? During that period he averaged 71 at #4.

 

[Qlder]

Mate Labushagne has been so crap for a long time so Smith might as well have batted 3 anyway

And what's this don't move from preferred position rubbish, it's a team game so should be what's best for the Team. Head prefers to bat at 5 but he had no problem moving up to open in Asia for the good of the team

 

[Gob]

Why,, Smith has 1744 runs @ 67.07 batting #3 and should have stayed there instead of batting behind Labuschagne. Easy move to let Green bat #4 as he's not up to bat 3

Because the way Smith has been batting for the last 5 games or so is the best he has batted since 2019 why the **** would you want to screw with that? The ultimate objective here is not to find Cameron Green his best position but to assemble an order that is likely to produce the optimum output

England has **** no 3s yet they keep Root and Brook at 4 and 5. It's not all that difficult to comprehend bruh

 

[Gob]

Mate Labushagne has been so crap for a long time so Smith might as well have batted 3 anyway

And what's this don't move from preferred position rubbish, it's a team game so should be what's best for the Team. Head prefers to bat at 5 but he had no problem moving up to open in Asia for the good of the team

Exactly. Moving Smith to 3 is not the best decision for the team

 

[Qlder]

Exactly. Moving Smith to 3 is not the best decision for the team

Are you seriously suggesting Smith can't bat 3 so should be kept at his cosy 4 spot lol.when did he become Joe Root

This is easily the best line up we have

1. Khawaja
2. Labuschagne / Konstas
3. Smith
4. Green
5. Head
6. Webster

 

[Gob]

Are you seriously suggesting Smith can't bat 3 so should be kept at his cosy 4 spot lol[/B].when did he become Joe Root

This is easily the best line up we have

1. Khawaja
2. Labuschagne / Konstas
3. Smith
4. Green
5. Head
6. Webster

Bro how you not getting this bro jeez this isn't astrophysics

Let me break this down to you

Would Steve Smith be a better number 3 currently compared Marnus L/ Cam G? Yes

Could batting at number 3 reduce his overall output in the game? Probably

These 2 things can coexist. Please get this

Also your analogy with T Head opening in the Sub C is poo aswell. Head has a pronounced weakness starting against spin so opening the batting in Asia where the new ball doesn't pose any threat actually increases his chances of success. He or the management are not doing it as a gesture of taking one for the team it actually increases his chances of succeeding. With Smith moving to 3, it doesn't

 

[Qlder]

I give up. It's like Smith's excellent record averaging 67 at 3 doesn't exist so people think he'll do worse at 3 than 4

 

[Gob]

I give up. It's like Smith's excellent record averaging 67 at 3 doesn't exist so people think he'll do worse at 3 than 4

Common sense and logic convinces me that he is more likely to succeed at 4 than he would at 3

 

[Nintendo]

Why are we suddenly batting smith at #3. We tried this with the opening thing and it didn't work. Smith isn't the guy who averaged 65 batting 3 anymore, the massive drop off in his average when he faces a semi new ball (30 overs or less) vs old ball in tests show that.

 

[kevinw]

Moving Smith from 4 now is as moronic as it gets

Can Head bat at three?

 

[Gob]

Can Head bat at three?

God no

 

[Gob]

Ricky Ponting's xi

Khawaja
Marnus
Green
Smith
Head
Webster
Carey
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazlewood

 

[Fuller Pilch]

**** me how **** is your comprehension? I said #4 is generally the batting position of the best bat in a test side, as has been the case for a while.

No, it is just as often 3 as 4.
Viv at his peak, Sangakkara, Williamson etc.

For some teams their best bats are openers (Hobbs, Gavaskar etc.), no 5s (Shiv, S Waugh, Clarke) and even no 8 for Daniel Vettori for a couple of years.