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No hopers who made it

Molehill

Molehill

International Coach
Shri said:
why is craig white suddenly considered a gun? maybe he was relatively good compared to late 90s eng players but he was **** tbh
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I was confused by this too. He briefly became the designated all rounder (because England have to have one) when there was no one better. But batting average of 25 and bowling 38 hardly suggests he smashed Test Cricket.
 
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SteveNZ

International Coach
thierry henry said:
Maybe those were the whispers around the traps but I don't think that really translated in terms of performance (he always did pretty well in domestic cricket) or selection (he was perceived as a Black Cap in waiting and immediately rushed into the side). I just don't think you can reasonably say that Wagner's elevation to international level was any sort of "no hoper come good" situation when it was fully expected that he was likely to walk straight into the Black Caps once he had qualified.

I think similar whispers may have been behind his decision to leave SA. He performed well, made it through the grades, but there may have been a perception he didn't have the right attributes for higher honours and he foresaw that this perception might stall his progress.

Of course once we all actually saw him at international level and saw that he was probably 5kph slower than expected, didn't get much bounce (ironically given what was to come) and had a wonky seam position - at that point yeah, he fits the thread for sure.
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Yeah, like I alluded to this was the opinion of FC players that I stole for CW. No hoper is absolutely the wrong wording but within the professional game, he was written off by a lot of people. They felt he didn't have the tools.
 
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kevinw

International Debutant
Molehill said:
I was confused by this too. He briefly became the designated all rounder (because England have to have one) when there was no one better. But batting average of 25 and bowling 38 hardly suggests he smashed Test Cricket.
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Was in and out of the team between 94-97. Played 8 tests in that time, one fifty, never took more than four wickets in a Test. Then came back superbly in 2000, averaging 30 with the bat and 23 with the ball over 7 tests. He then dipped for the next couple of years, but was a vital member of the side in subcontinent conditions.
 
morgieb

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ImpatientLime said:
think vaughan and trescothick are good shouts here. both were fairly middling county batsman with very low 30s averages. tresco picked after a scout saw him play a monster innings and vaughan.....i forget his call up story. but both went from being completely forgettable county top order players to highly competent test players.
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Solid calls, yes. Though I think both were hyped up as prodigies before their FC career (certainly true of Vaughan) but just stagnated in county cricket? Plus Vaughan had some pretty dodgy home wickets to bat on.
 
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reyrey

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Molehill said:
I was confused by this too. He briefly became the designated all rounder (because England have to have one) when there was no one better. But batting average of 25 and bowling 38 hardly suggests he smashed Test Cricket.
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You obviously didn't watch him play. During Husseins captaincy and on the most most difficult bowling surfaces he was often Englands MVP
 
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