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Two ATVG Aussies
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Michael Clarke vs Matthew Hayden
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut
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Hayden here. He makes my first Aussie ATG Xi. Remarkable effort for anyone to make the 1st Xi really given near 150 Years of cricket talent of far and away the greatest cricketing nation of all time.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Is that impressive in and of itself? Is Root more impressive because he’s England’s first ATG middle order bat in 55 years?
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It is very close I think
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
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Won’t argue, that’s something needed to consider.
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Thought it would be closer
BazBall21
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Definitely closer than the result suggests, but they probably mostly think Hayden by a small margin. Which I'd agree with.
shortpitched713
Cricketer Of The Year
The problem with picking against Hayden, is that you can't name a definitively better modern opener than him other than Gavaskar. Yes, you can cherry pick the record, but any analysis which doesn't simply lie by omission won't allow it.
With Clarke, you could find 20 better modern middle order bats.
With Clarke, you could find 20 better modern middle order bats.
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That’s a good point
Adorable Asshole
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Standardized averages @Prince EWS
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Modern openers definitely better than Hayden: Gavaskar
Modern middle order bats definitely better than Clarke:
Smith
Tendulkar
Richards
Lara
Chappell
Ponting
Sangakkara
Williamson
Border
Waugh
Kallis
Dravid
Miandad
Kohli
ABD
Younis Khan
Root
Chanderpaul
Inzamam
There might be a few more that I’m missing
Modern middle order bats definitely better than Clarke:
Smith
Tendulkar
Richards
Lara
Chappell
Ponting
Sangakkara
Williamson
Border
Waugh
Kallis
Dravid
Miandad
Kohli
ABD
Younis Khan
Root
Chanderpaul
Inzamam
There might be a few more that I’m missing
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shortpitched713
Cricketer Of The Year
Kohli and down, there are some arguments to be made, but the rest are pretty ironclad.
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That’s true. I can see reasons for picking Clarke over YK, Chanders, Root, and Inzi.