Martin Crowe or Kane Williamson?

[Johan]

Please don't go off topic like the Hobbs or Hutton thread

a reminder , crowe averaged 50+ from 85 onward , in his peak was averaging 53 from 85 to 94 .

Kane has a statistical ? of averaging 32.7 in Ind/SA/Aus/Eng/sl which imo makes it close even though stats at face value implies kane>>>>>>crowe

 

[Daemon]

Crowe, KW’s away record is just hard to ignore.

 

[Athlai]

Always been a Hobbs guy

 

[Howe_zat]

It's close but I'm going to have to go with Sunil Gavaskar

 

[Johan]

 

[BazBall21]

Martin Crowe, Martin Crowe.

 

[CricAddict]

Usually last option is the joke option but here it is the first.

 

[trundler]

No one's ever thought of these comparisons before. Truly ground breaking.

Bring back food discussion in CC IMO.

 

[_00_deathscar]

The question may change but the answer remains ever constant.

 

[Zinzan]

Crowe, KW’s away record is just hard to ignore.

Agree, Crowe was successful against the toughest opponents in his day both home and away.

Williamson's record in the UK, India & South Africa are just too hard to overlook.

 

[Johan]

Usually last option is the joke option but here it is the first.

on a plus side , it got infinite times more votes then option 3

 

[ashley bach]

This is what happens when you discover the rules of a world cup final when the game and the super over are both tied.

 

[Flem274*]

It's a black mark against KW and the staffs names that KW is getting progressively worse away from home. Middle of last decade he had scored centuries almost everywhere. Post 2019 WC especially he's been ****ing awful everywhere and/or injured bar one home summer.

Since becoming captain I've noticed he blocks and grinds a lot more. Can't remember the last time he was 40* (60) like he used to do all the time.

If the worlds most mythical 40 averaging opener was a test standard cricketer against non-club pacers the solution would be simple (along with retiring KW forcibly from the mercenary trash circus), but unfortunately Tom Latham is another who has gotten worse since debut.

As it stands, Crowe wins this comparison easily. Williamson averages 20 away from home since the 2019 WC (9 tests). That's some Kohli ****. He has a solitary 50 (the matchwinner against India in the WTC final).

But of course, everything is fine. We beat Scotland last night. Michael Bracewell is a world class offspinner.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Is this test or ODI captaincy? Crowe was a very poor test captain, although led from the front with his batting in Pakistan vs the 2 Ws in 1990 with a very weak NZ side following mass retirements. Admittedly he had very poor test bowling attacks to captain with. Apart from the 1992 WC when he batted brilliantly (player of the tournament) and followed strategies decided with coach Warren Lees he generally struggled with captaincy and injury.

Williamson is dreadful with using spinners (but still captained NZ to a test series win in the UAE and a draw in SL). He is ruthlessly efficient captaining sides in conditions that favour his bowlers and has stepped up in ICC tournaments (player of the tournament 2019 CWC, big 200s vs Pakistan and WI when chasing s spot in the WTC final and top scorer in the final, then top scorer in the WT20 final).

Crowe was a worse test captain than Ken Rutherford and John Wright (obviously a much better batsman than Rutherford and bit better than Wright), whereas Kane despite his faults is still a better captain than Latham and possibly better than McCullum (very different in style). I think KDub is clearly a better captain than Crowe. I haven't voted yet as not sure who is the better batsman.

 

[Socerer 01]

Post-2019 has really taken the shine off Williamson. Ask the same question back then and you would have everyone clamouring to say he already was better if not on the track to easily surpass Crowe.

 

[honestbharani]

Crowe is a better batsman by a small yet significant margin but he is also easily the better captain IMO, inspite of Kane winning the WTC. So went with the 4th option.

 

[ashley bach]

This match up came up in topic in minor detail a few weeks ago.
I can remember vividly having lessons from Hogan as a kid as we both played at the same club. More than anything I recall being excited about
learning how to play the cut shot. It didn't really matter, I sucked that bad, next time I tried the cut it dragged into leg stump.
Hogan along with Paddles of course, were not just mine, but everyone's hero's back then, no other payers were close to them.
So without being biased towards my hero, I'm gonna say Kane is the GOAT batsman for NZ.
Veritas Veritas the truth is the truth and the stats cannot be hidden.
Stats of course we all know are not everything, but with a large sample they hold plenty of meaning.
The argument for Crowe that his away record was better, only means that Kanes home record now becomes exceptionally better.
Kane 52.6 Hogan 45.4 over 7 runs per innings is actually a hell of a lot.
ODI 47.5 V 38.5 9 runs better per innings here is enormous.

A player goes through a bad patch and we suddenly forget what the genius of a player is capable of.
Think we have to take Covid into some consideration here,before the pandemic, Kane was going like an absolute train, rated 1 in world ranking I believe
Since then it's been a messy period, along with becoming a dad, horrible scheduling, it's just been a time to forget considering how high his standards
are set. Hogan didn't encounter any of that, but did have injuries of concern towards the end of his career.
Perhaps this question will be answered better in a few years time when Kane calls it a day, or maybe we'll be even more unsure than we are now.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Again is this ODI or test captaincy?
Unless statsguru and a dodgy memory have lied to me I'm pretty sure NZ only won 2 tests under Crowe's captaincy (Zimbabwe away and Australia at home). We've won heaps of tests (and series) with KW in charge. We've been no 1 in all 3 forms at different stages too.