Lance Gibbs vs Anil Kumble

[Johan]

Depends if you’re talking top 15 bowlers or pacers

both? both, both is good

 

[subshakerz]

It's outweighed by the other factors for me.

I care about getting wickets, and Gibbs regardless didn't manage to take them at the same rate in terms of balls. I'll easily take the person who doesn't have to bowl forever to get wickets.

Gibbs in his era had much less attacking bats and was extremely accurate. In fact he might be the most accurate spinner ever.

 

[sayon basak]

Gibbs in his era had much less attacking bats and was extremely accurate. In fact he might be the most accurate spinner ever.

That is definitely Shoaib Bashir.

 

[Xix2565]

Gibbs in his era had much less attacking bats and was extremely accurate. In fact he might be the most accurate spinner ever.

That's too bold for me even with the leeway of not having a lot of video on Gibbs.

 

[subshakerz]

That's too bold for me even with the leeway of not having a lot of video on Gibbs.

Sure but he has an ER of less than 2. Well ahead of the mean. Someone like that is going to give wickets at the other end by sheer pressure they generate.

 

[Xix2565]

Sure but he has an ER of less than 2. Well ahead of the mean. Someone like that is going to give wickets at the other end by sheer pressure they generate.

I mean you did also say that he didn't play a lot of attacking batters. Is there anything that suggests it's all because of him and nothing else?

 

[subshakerz]

I mean you did also say that he didn't play a lot of attacking batters. Is there anything that suggests it's all because of him and nothing else?

Plenty of player testimony.

 

[Xix2565]

Plenty of player testimony.

Player testimony is all over the place though, and it's not exactly a bastion of facts and analytical thought.

 

[subshakerz]

Player testimony is all over the place though, and it's not exactly a bastion of facts and analytical thought.

I mean like I said he has an ER of less than 2. And exceptional work load.

 

[Coronis]

I mean you did also say that he didn't play a lot of attacking batters. Is there anything that suggests it's all because of him and nothing else?

I mean if you look at the matches he played in he’s consistently one of if not the lowest in terms of ER

 

[ma1978]

Gibbs closer to Nadkarni than Kumble

 

[Xix2565]

I mean like I said he has an ER of less than 2. And exceptional work load.

I mean if you look at the matches he played in he’s consistently one of if not the lowest in terms of ER

That just goes back to my question though. How much of that ER is down to his skill alone making it impossible to score off him vs a combination of other factors?

 

[peterhrt]

That just goes back to my question though. How much of that ER is down to his skill alone making it impossible to score off him vs a combination of other factors?

It is mainly to do with the era he played in. Of the 19 bowlers with an Economy Rate below 2 runs per over (and 50 wickets), twelve played in the 1950s and/or 1960s, and Gibbs was the least economical of them. Three of the remainder were from the 19th century.

Top of the list is Trevor Goddard who was a very negative bowler, left-arm over firing in at the batsman's pads. Late in his career he was bullied by Eddie Barlow into bowling properly to get people out.

Hedley Verity has the sixth lowest ER, but at the time it was not always seen as a strength. In 1938 The Times' cricket correspondent Beau Vincent wrote:

Always provided there is no immediate threat of rain, I believe that Verity, who on a perfect wicket can do little more than keep runs down - and time is the chief ally of the Australians - should make way for the more hostile Wellard.