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Lance Gibbs vs Anil Kumble

Better spinner in tests?


  • Total voters
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Bolo.

International Captain
Re Pak, they Won 2 out of 30, 8 losses, W/L: 0.25. Zim Won 3 out of 39, 17 losses, W/L: 0.17. They had a shitty bowling but had Hanif, Mushtaq, Asif Iqbal, Imtiaz, Saeed Ahmed, etc in batting. Think were better than Zimbabwe.
Those 2 wins were against NZ. I'm only discussing results vs the 4 test quality sides. Zim's win rate would also look a lot better if the proportion of sub-standard teams floating around was the same. They have 5 wins with Bangers included.

Zim did admittedly stink it up in results vs top teams in the 2000s. Very comparable to Pak in trajectory. Very respectable results in late 50s/90s, and then fell away.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Those 2 wins were against NZ. I'm only discussing results vs the 4 test quality sides. Zim's win rate would also look a lot better if the proportion of sub-standard teams floating around was the same. They have 5 wins with Bangers included.

Zim did admittedly stink it up in results vs top teams in the 2000s. Very comparable to Pak in trajectory. Very respectable results in late 50s/90s, and then fell away.
Zimbabwe lost around half of their games, Pakistan around one forth. That's a pretty big factor personally.
 

Bolo.

International Captain
Zimbabwe lost around half of their games, Pakistan around one forth. That's a pretty big factor personally.
That's fair. There are counter points to this. Zim only played 1 poor team. They won all the series against them. Pak lost and drew series vs weaker opposition. And Zim actually beat quality opposition.

I'm not actually arguing that Zim was stronger than Pak. I don't know. Other than the fact that I think the 60s was weak in general.

Anyway, my point is more about the proportion of weak teams, not exactly how weak the teams were.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
That's fair. There are counter points to this. Zim only played 1 poor team. They won all the series against them. Pak lost and drew series vs weaker opposition. And Zim actually beat quality opposition.

I'm not actually arguing that Zim was stronger than Pak. I don't know. Other than the fact that I think the 60s was weak in general.

Anyway, my point is more about the proportion of weak teams, not exactly how weak the teams were.
Pakistan drew 2 Series to each of England and Australia.
 

Bolo.

International Captain
Pakistan drew 2 Series to each of England and Australia.
Yes, there are reasons to rate them above Zim. I'm fine with it if you do. You should also be able to see the point behind not rating a team that went a decade without a win against quality opposition.

Anyway, 10 teams in the 2000s. And Zim only played till 2005. Irrespective of who was better, I reckon Pak had a bigger impact on era weakness.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
You just acknowledged me as a genius. You should just blindly agree with my takes from now on.
Hey, I never said I don't consider myself a Genius as well!!! My self worth keeps constantly oscillating between being a clueless hack and an absolute Genius who just doesn't gives a ****
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Gibbs simply was more effective away from home than Kumble and pretty good at home on unsupportive wickets.
 

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