Kapil/Jadeja vs Botham/Flintoff

[Al Salvador]

England in the 2000s wasn't seam friendly.

Yes it wasn't, and flintoff averaging 7 better overseas in such a tough era for bowling shouldn't be kept under the carpet that easily.

 

[h_hurricane]

Yes it wasn't, and flintoff averaging 7 better overseas in such a tough era for bowling shouldn't be kept under the carpet that easily.

And him averaging 7 runs worse with the bat overseas than home in such an easier era for batting shouldn't be swept aside under the carpet either.

 

[Al Salvador]

And him averaging 7 runs worse with the bat overseas than home in such an easier era for batting shouldn't be swept aside under the carpet either.

When did I said that? Show quick. I was focusing on subs point about overseas bowling. What's wrong with you? And btw few days back you said you will ignore me

 

[h_hurricane]

When did I said that? Show quick. I was focusing on subs point about overseas bowling.

You didn't say that which is the whole point. You said whatever suited your narrative.

Ignoring the rest of your post as it deserves.

 

[Al Salvador]

You didn't say that which is the whole point. You said whatever suited your narrative.

Ignoring the rest of your post as it deserves.

You haven't really ignored me

 

[ma1978]

Gap between Jadeja and Flintoff wide

Botham and Kapil narrow

 

[capt_Luffy]

Correct once you adjust for variables

Jadeja is significantly closer to Botham than Flintoff is to him

 

[ma1978]

Jadeja is significantly closer to Botham than Flintoff is to him

There is a strong case Jadeja is better than Botham taking the totality of their careers

 

[GIMH]

Fast bowlers are better than spinners which makes Jadeja 4th on this list by default

 

[subshakerz]

There is a strong case Jadeja is better than Botham taking the totality of their careers

Must be a joke honestly.

 

[ma1978]

Must be a joke honestly.

how do you argue with the numbers

 

[subshakerz]

how do you argue with the numbers

Home away bowling split.

Batting inflation.

 

[ma1978]

Must be a joke honestly.

Jadeja averages 40 as a bat outside of India, and has performed in Australia and England, his two most important opponents. He’s played as a bat outside of India

Botham averages 32 outside of England, including a whopping 14 in the West Indies and 30 in Australia his two most important opponents.

whatever perceived differences in bowling may exist are far outweighed by the gulf in batting

 

[ma1978]

Home away bowling split.

Batting inflation.

how is there batting inflation over much of Jadeja’s career vs the 1980s

this is willful blindness dude, I had it for a while with Jadeja because he doesn’t “look” like a great cricketer but the numbers are obvious

 

[reyrey]

Jadeja averages 40 as a bat outside of India, and has performed in Australia and England, his two most important opponents. He’s played as a bat outside of India

Botham averages 32 outside of England, including a whopping 14 in the West Indies and 30 in Australia his two most important opponents.

whatever perceived differences in bowling may exist are far outweighed by the gulf in batting

Bothams away bowling average is just under 30, whilst Jadejas is 37. That's a pretty big away bowling gulf

 

[Fuller Pilch]

in Australia and England, his two most important opponents.

Ahem...

Which country has India only won ONE test in since 1976?

Which country beat India 3-0 in India last year?

Which country has this record in its last 8 tests against India?
Played 8, won 6, lost 1, drawn 1

 

[Randomfan]

There is a strong case Jadeja is better than Botham taking the totality of their careers

Strong case? How?

 

[Randomfan]

Jadeja averages 40 as a bat outside of India, and has performed in Australia and England, his two most important opponents. He’s played as a bat outside of India

Botham averages 32 outside of England, including a whopping 14 in the West Indies and 30 in Australia his two most important opponents.

whatever perceived differences in bowling may exist are far outweighed by the gulf in batting

That's a case but I don't think it's a strong case given away average for both as bowler.

 

[ma1978]

That's a case but I don't think it's a strong case given away average for both as bowler.

is batting less important than bowling

 

[ma1978]

Ahem...

Which country has India only won ONE test in since 1976?

Which country beat India 3-0 in India last year?

Which country has this record in its last 8 tests against India?
Played 8, won 6, lost 1, drawn 1

maybe because NZ is taken less seriously lol