Kallis/Botham/Miller/Pollock vs Tendulkar/Hutton/Steyn/McGrath

[Coronis]

Who will be the respective captains?

Club cricket captains with poor tactics

 

[Bolo.]

For a one off match, it's debatable. The ARs give more batting, and probably bowling. If your team is outrageously weak, you might be better off gambling on McGrath and Steyn obliterating the opposition.

Over a career, it's the ARs by a massive margin. You are just gonna end up bowling Steyn and McGrath into injury very fast.

 

[Thala_0710]

Who will be the respective captains?

Pollock and Hutton

 

[subshakerz]

I think a batting partnership and a bowling partnership to carry the team at a top level (as is the case here). The value of the top tier ATG batting that Hutton and Tendulkar provide can't be matched by the batting depth other side imo. Similarly McGrath and Steyn blowing opposition away can't be recreated imo by more bowling depth.
The bowling is closer because the team of 3 pacers will combine for more overs and overall can impact it. But with their secondary skills, don't think such value can be caught.

The rest of the bats outside Hobbs and Tendulkar are going to struggle to even average 20 remember.

 

[subshakerz]

For a one off match, it's debatable. The ARs give more batting, and probably bowling. If your team is outrageously weak, you might be better off gambling on McGrath and Steyn obliterating the opposition.

Over a career, it's the ARs by a massive margin. You are just gonna end up bowling Steyn and McGrath into injury very fast.

In a one off game the odds for the specialists are worse, any two having a bad game and it's game over effectively.

 

[sayon basak]

Well Kallis is a great and Botham and Miller are test standard bats and Pollock a great no.8. There are more runs there than just Tendulkar and Hobbs. Once you get those two out, it's basically done.

As for bowling it's closer, but again Miller, Pollock, Botham plus Kallis is a complete pace attack.

Just to emphasize, after McGrath and Steyn are done with their new ball spell it's basically club cricket bowlers who are going to get hammered

Who are they gonna play with? If it's mid teams, then Steyn and McG with get the job done before club bowlers get the ball. If it's ATG/World class teams, Your AR bowling will get hammered to begin with anyway.

 

[sayon basak]

In a one off game the odds for the specialists are worse, any two having a bad game and it's game over effectively.

Same to your team. You can't just say, "What if you're not lucky?" as a defense, you don't have supermans either in your team.

 

[Thala_0710]

The rest of the bats outside Hobbs and Tendulkar are going to struggle to even average 20 remember.

Which basically means that to get the total implied value of AR they will need to have insane workloads with both bat and ball, which is unrealistic over time

 

[subshakerz]

Same to your team. You can't just say, "What if you're not lucky?" as a defense, you don't have supermans either in your team.

Well it's more likely at least with the ball to have backup if a couple bowlers fail

 

[subshakerz]

Which basically means that to get the total implied value of AR they will need to have insane workloads with both bat and ball, which is unrealistic over time

More of a load problem for the specialist bowlers if anything. The only concern for the ARs is managing Kallis with the ball.

 

[Bolo.]

In a one off game the odds for the specialists are worse, any two having a bad game and it's game over effectively.

You are definitely rolling the dice more with the specialists. More likely to see the opposition score 100 or 700. If your other players are good enough to give you decent odds of winning, go with the ARs. ARs are a bit more predictable.

 

[subshakerz]

Who are they gonna play with? If it's mid teams, then Steyn and McG with get the job done before club bowlers get the ball. If it's ATG/World class teams, Your AR bowling will get hammered to begin with anyway.

I agree with mid tier sides, the specialist bowlers are sufficient even if their backup is crap.

But with top tier sides, it's going to be much more of a struggle for specialists to maintain standards.

 

[shortpitched713]

For an a minnow, almost club level side, who benefits them more? Facing test teams

Top side of all-rounders has it's bowling attack completely sorted, whereas the bottom side could have problems when McGrath, Steyn (and Tendulkar) need to be changed out. That's enough for me, even without even considering batting, which the too side would probably have a decent club level advantage in too.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Easily the allrounders, imo. Gives you really strong Test bowling attack and great batting depth even if your top order is a shambles.

The specialists are obviously great players too. So maybe easily them instead.