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Jasprit Bumrah vs Rahul Dravid vs Kapil Dev

Who is the greatest test cricketer of these three?

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Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man
Cartainly someone among Dravid or Kapil.
Bumrah may have the potential to go beyond Tendulkar! but as of now can’t place a cricketer with just 9 years of Cricket and less than 50 matches against those who played 15 years and 131 and 164 Tests, gotta respect their longevity.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
Cricket Bliss said:
Cartainly someone among Dravid or Kapil.
Bumrah may have the potential to go beyond Tendulkar! but as of now can’t place a cricketer with just 9 years of Cricket and less than 50 matches against those who played 15 years and 131 and 164 Tests, gotta respect their longevity.
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Yeah but Bumrah's performed at a level that those guys never did in their career. Imo, his away career is already better than those guys.
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

State 12th Man
Thala_0710 said:
Yeah but Bumrah's performed at a level that those guys never did in their career. Imo, his away career is already better than those guys.
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There is still time that it can go low. When you have such a record for 60-70 Tests and has played for 13 years, even if your career becomes goes down still it won’t affect much and even if around 70% career was near the GOAT level.
He has just played 48 Tests, his potential might be near GOAT level… but for consistently doing well Dravid and Kapil deserves credit.
guys like Botham looked like second to the throne of Sobers for more than 60 odd Tests.
By the way for fast bowlers performing in the flat Indian wickets is more difficult than away conditions, especially in a bowling era, yeah he averages well at home.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
Still waiting to hear what makes Kapil an ATG.

And yes, as a package, I'll take Taylor.
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Dude, I believe I have told you that numerous times. You just don't seem to agree with it, which is fine in general, but you just act so shocked and condescending each time it's kinda laughable. I don't have any gaps in my reasonings as you do while placing Sobers ahead of Don while maintaining the secondary skills can't make you jump tiers. Kapil is an ATVG bowler and proper 30 odd averaging batsman, with intense longevity and workload, a solid fielder and captain. Not much behind of Botham for me. You don't rate his bowling highly, think of his batting as a tailender, and don't care about fielding or captaincy. It's just futile. But when you say something akin to Mark Taylor>Kapil Dev, I feel I would rather debate Jordan Peterson on his beliefs.
 
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Rob Wesley

U19 12th Man
Tests :-

Dravid/ Bumrah( close probably Dravid for now)
Kapil
Jadeja
Ashwin

This will be my ranking. Kapil was a greater white ball player than test player but still a lower tier ATG one.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
Dude, I believe I have told you that numerous times. You just don't seem to agree with it, which is fine in general, but you just act so shocked and condescending each time it's kinda laughable. I don't have any gaps in my reasonings as you do while placing Sobers ahead of Don while maintaining the secondary skills can't make you jump tiers. Kapil is an ATVG bowler and proper 30 odd averaging batsman, with intense longevity and workload, a solid fielder and captain. Not much behind of Botham for me. You don't rate his bowling highly, think of his batting as a tailender, and don't care about fielding or captaincy. It's just futile. But when you say something akin to Mark Taylor>Kapil Dev, I feel I would rather debate Jordan Peterson on his beliefs.
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I don't think Kapil was a great bowler. That's literally like saying Brett Lee was a great bowler. His average is nigh on 30, a strike rate over 60 and the wpm is closer to 3 than 4.
Walsh was a great bowler, so was Miller, Andy Roberts. Hazelwood and Starc world class performers.

I do not think he's a tail ender, he's also not a test level bat. A rpi of 28 is that of a specialist bat.

Away from home he averaged 32 with the ball and 26 with the bat.

He was an above test standard bowler and a decent lower order hitter.

There's nothing there to push him into the realm of ATG.

Like Worrell is for the West Indies, he's a great for India and influenced a generation to the game. But that doesn't make you imo an ATG, the same way what Worrell did, make him one.

Mark Taylor was an opening batsman during one of if the 3 toughest eras in cricket. He was closer to being a great batsman than Kapil a great bowler, and I think he beats Kapil on primary. Taylor was also not only the best tactical captain I've seen, he's the only all round great captain I've seen and as far as I'm concerned the GOAT in that discipline. He was also a top tier elite slip and top 10 all time in that area as well.

You've brought up Sobers again. Sobers is a top 5 batsman of all time and a candidate for BAB, and there's many an observer who ranks him the best after Bradman.

As a slip fielder he was "in the class of Simpson and Hammond" and top 4 all time in that disciple... As an overall close catcher, he had no equal.

As a bowler, and specially as a pace bowler he was a test standard performer. He wasn't great, and wasn't as good as Kapil, but he was just about average.

He was top 5 in two disciplines and the most versatile ever in the 3rd. Not only is he the greatest all rounder ever, he was the greatest all round cricketer ever.

He is unquestionably one of the lone 3 cricketers in the upper pantheon of the sport, and that drops to two when specifically restricted to tests or 20th century and after.

You have a batsman that averaged a hundred, vs a batsman that averaged 60, and against considerably better bowlers and more helpful (away) pitches, while being a front line bowler contributing 40 overs a match who also caught flies.

For reference that's like having Tendulkar, Stokes and Waugh Jr all rolled into one player.
 
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