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Ian Healy vs Andy Flower

Better test cricketer?


  • Total voters
    10

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Flower the better cricketer due to batting but if he played in a proper test standard side, he would not get the gloves.
Depends. I don't think he was worse glovesman than Pant. Probs won't get to keep for most sides in the 90s, but surely will from 2010s onwards.
 

Johan

International Coach
Depends. I don't think he was worse glovesman than Pant. Probs won't get to keep for most sides in the 90s, but surely will from 2010s onwards.
didn't Pant before his car crash keep well to Indian spinners on square turners?
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
didn't Pant before his car crash keep well to Indian spinners on square turners?
When he began playing Tests he was far shittier. He really improved then for a couple of seasons before the accident (was never World Class, but Good); and since then have struggled again (though not early career Pant level).
 

MasterBlaster24

U19 Debutant
Flower the better cricketer due to batting but if he played in a proper test standard side, he would not get the gloves.
Yup, I agree with you.
Depends. I don't think he was worse glovesman than Pant. Probs won't get to keep for most sides in the 90s, but surely will from 2010s onwards.
I don't think we have enough evidence to show that Pant is a worse wicketkeeper than Andy Flower, to be honest. In fact, it's the other way around. Flower himself admitted that he wasn't brilliant behind the stumps.

"He admits he is not a brilliant keeper, but is satisfied that he does a good job, while at the same time seeking ways to improve his ability."
(copied - ESPN. COM)

"It was not just the margin of England's victory-by an innings 209 runs-that so dismayed Flower. Neither was it the fact that Zimbabwe had so patently frozen in their first Test appearance at Lord's. It was that his own wicketkeeping display had fallen massively below the standards he regards as acceptable.

In the immediate aftermath of Lord's, Flower hinted broadly at a wicketkeeping debut for Tatenda Taibu, the tiny 17-year old schoolboy, a product of Zimbabwe's development scheme.

Since then reality has intruded. Taibu had an uncomfortable time last week against Yorkshire on a Headingley greentop,failing twice with the bat and keeping gingerly. Flower's protective instincts make sense. "To be honest, I don't think that it is the right time for him to play," he said. "I think I have to sort out my own game to help things back into place."
(copied - The Guardian)
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Yup, I agree with you.

I don't think we have enough evidence to show that Pant is a worse wicketkeeper than Andy Flower, to be honest. In fact, it's the other way around. Flower himself admitted that he wasn't brilliant behind the stumps.

"He admits he is not a brilliant keeper, but is satisfied that he does a good job, while at the same time seeking ways to improve his ability."
(copied - ESPN. COM)

"It was not just the margin of England's victory-by an innings 209 runs-that so dismayed Flower. Neither was it the fact that Zimbabwe had so patently frozen in their first Test appearance at Lord's. It was that his own wicketkeeping display had fallen massively below the standards he regards as acceptable.

In the immediate aftermath of Lord's, Flower hinted broadly at a wicketkeeping debut for Tatenda Taibu, the tiny 17-year old schoolboy, a product of Zimbabwe's development scheme.

Since then reality has intruded. Taibu had an uncomfortable time last week against Yorkshire on a Headingley greentop,failing twice with the bat and keeping gingerly. Flower's protective instincts make sense. "To be honest, I don't think that it is the right time for him to play," he said. "I think I have to sort out my own game to help things back into place."
(copied - The Guardian)
Honestly, this stance of Flower gives me more confidence if anything. And he then does thought of himself as a Good keeper constantly trying to improve, despite the massive burden of batting and captaincy.
 

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Healy easier the better cricketer.

A legitimate AT gloveman.

Why do some disciplines get no respect
 

DrWolverine

International Vice-Captain
Bob Taylor was considered a better wicket keeper but Alan Knott picked over him because of his batting.
 
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DrWolverine

International Vice-Captain
My bad

Bob Taylor was considered a better wicket keeper but Alan Knott was picked over him because of his batting.
 

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
My bad

Bob Taylor was considered a better wicket keeper but Alan Knott was picked over him because of his batting.
Allan Knott was picked because there was little to no keeping gap, but a huge gap in batting.

Pretty sure they wouldn't pick Pant ahead of Knott.
 

DrWolverine

International Vice-Captain
No statistical analysis for wicket keepers

So have to rely on what people back then said and Bob Taylor was seen as a superior keeper
 

DrWolverine

International Vice-Captain
It doesn’t matter if it is small or big but there was a gap between them and Knott was picked for his batting.
 

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