Ian Healy vs Andy Flower

[MasterBlaster24]

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[Thala_0710]

Flower and it's not close

 

[Johan]

Flower the better cricketer due to batting but if he played in a proper test standard side, he would not get the gloves.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Flower the better cricketer due to batting but if he played in a proper test standard side, he would not get the gloves.

Depends. I don't think he was worse glovesman than Pant. Probs won't get to keep for most sides in the 90s, but surely will from 2010s onwards.

 

[Johan]

Depends. I don't think he was worse glovesman than Pant. Probs won't get to keep for most sides in the 90s, but surely will from 2010s onwards.

didn't Pant before his car crash keep well to Indian spinners on square turners?

 

[capt_Luffy]

didn't Pant before his car crash keep well to Indian spinners on square turners?

When he began playing Tests he was far shittier. He really improved then for a couple of seasons before the accident (was never World Class, but Good); and since then have struggled again (though not early career Pant level).

 

[DrWolverine]

Pant has improved now but he was **** before

 

[MasterBlaster24]

Flower the better cricketer due to batting but if he played in a proper test standard side, he would not get the gloves.

Yup, I agree with you.

Depends. I don't think he was worse glovesman than Pant. Probs won't get to keep for most sides in the 90s, but surely will from 2010s onwards.

I don't think we have enough evidence to show that Pant is a worse wicketkeeper than Andy Flower, to be honest. In fact, it's the other way around. Flower himself admitted that he wasn't brilliant behind the stumps.

"He admits he is not a brilliant keeper, but is satisfied that he does a good job, while at the same time seeking ways to improve his ability."
(copied - ESPN. COM)

"It was not just the margin of England's victory-by an innings 209 runs-that so dismayed Flower. Neither was it the fact that Zimbabwe had so patently frozen in their first Test appearance at Lord's. It was that his own wicketkeeping display had fallen massively below the standards he regards as acceptable.

In the immediate aftermath of Lord's, Flower hinted broadly at a wicketkeeping debut for Tatenda Taibu, the tiny 17-year old schoolboy, a product of Zimbabwe's development scheme.

Since then reality has intruded. Taibu had an uncomfortable time last week against Yorkshire on a Headingley greentop,failing twice with the bat and keeping gingerly. Flower's protective instincts make sense. "To be honest, I don't think that it is the right time for him to play," he said. "I think I have to sort out my own game to help things back into place."
(copied - The Guardian)

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yup, I agree with you.

I don't think we have enough evidence to show that Pant is a worse wicketkeeper than Andy Flower, to be honest. In fact, it's the other way around. Flower himself admitted that he wasn't brilliant behind the stumps.

"He admits he is not a brilliant keeper, but is satisfied that he does a good job, while at the same time seeking ways to improve his ability."
(copied - ESPN. COM)

"It was not just the margin of England's victory-by an innings 209 runs-that so dismayed Flower. Neither was it the fact that Zimbabwe had so patently frozen in their first Test appearance at Lord's. It was that his own wicketkeeping display had fallen massively below the standards he regards as acceptable.

In the immediate aftermath of Lord's, Flower hinted broadly at a wicketkeeping debut for Tatenda Taibu, the tiny 17-year old schoolboy, a product of Zimbabwe's development scheme.

Since then reality has intruded. Taibu had an uncomfortable time last week against Yorkshire on a Headingley greentop,failing twice with the bat and keeping gingerly. Flower's protective instincts make sense. "To be honest, I don't think that it is the right time for him to play," he said. "I think I have to sort out my own game to help things back into place."
(copied - The Guardian)

Honestly, this stance of Flower gives me more confidence if anything. And he then does thought of himself as a Good keeper constantly trying to improve, despite the massive burden of batting and captaincy.

 

[kyear2]

Healy easier the better cricketer.

A legitimate AT gloveman.

Why do some disciplines get no respect

 

[DrWolverine]

Bob Taylor was considered a better wicket keeper but Alan Knott picked over him because of his batting.

 

[sayon basak]

Bob Taylor was considered a better wicket keeper but Alan Knott picked over him because of his keeping.

Tells more about the English selectors.

 

[Johan]

**** english selectors

 

[sayon basak]

**** english selectors

I mean, if they are selecting the worse keeper for his keeping, then yeah.

 

[DrWolverine]

My bad

Bob Taylor was considered a better wicket keeper but Alan Knott was picked over him because of his batting.

 

[sayon basak]

My bad

Bob Taylor was considered a better wicket keeper but Alan Knott was picked over him because of his batting.

Allan Knott was picked because there was little to no keeping gap, but a huge gap in batting.

Pretty sure they wouldn't pick Pant ahead of Knott.

 

[DrWolverine]

No statistical analysis for wicket keepers

So have to rely on what people back then said and Bob Taylor was seen as a superior keeper

 

[sayon basak]

No statistical analysis for wicket keepers

So have to rely on what people back then said and Bob Taylor was seen as a superior keeper

Go ask them, even they do not think there was a big gap.

 

[DrWolverine]

It doesn’t matter if it is small or big but there was a gap between them and Knott was picked for his batting.

 

[Prince EWS]

Would much rather have Healy if I was told the player had to keep but I think Flower as a batsman is worth more than Healy as a package anyway.