How important are runs from number 8?

[kyear2]

Not for the ICC. They held a trophy for the better part of 4 years for that.

There are 10 teams listed, what's the arguments for the rest?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

And that is no doubt very arguable.

2012: Beat England in England 2-0 (3 tests)
Scored 637 in the 1st test (innings win)

MOTM V Philander (no 8) led them to win the 3rd

Won in Australia

Bowled NZ out for under 50.

Drew in the UAE

 

[shortpitched713]

There are 10 teams listed, what's the arguments for the rest?

That you cherry picked them.

Case in point the bad faith nature of this particular SA argument.

Regardless, you can take the last word and pontificate at length as you are wont to do. I'm good on this.

 

[kyear2]

2012: Beat England in England 2-0 (3 tests)
Scored 637 in the 1st test (innings win)

MOTM V Philander (no 8) lead them to win the 3rd

Won in Australia

Bowled NZ out for under 50.

Drew in the UAE

Ok.

 

[kyear2]

That you cherry picked them.

Case in point the bad faith nature of this particular SA argument.

Regardless, you can take the last word and pontificate at length as you are wont to do. I'm good on this.

Would be interested in seeing your top 10.

Top 10 teams that actually played together that had success, with no overlap of players and players with cachè.

Genuinely interested, would love to see it.

 

[the big bambino]

I wouldn't totally agree with kyear's list but its not a bad one. Some here have noted the absence of some recent sides and I would probably squeeze in the bodyline team, but you're always going to find points of conjecture fitting in a number of good candidates in a list of 10.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Though only had limited options, and whilst there for his bowling, Brad Hogg was a handy number 8 for Australia in the batting order in Test matches (averaged 26.57). But he appeared more in ODI cricket for Australia at number 8 and he averaged 20.25.

 

[kyear2]

I wouldn't totally agree with kyear's list but its not a bad one. Some here have noted the absence of some recent sides and I would probably squeeze in the bodyline team, but you're always going to find points of conjecture fitting in a number of good candidates in a list of 10.

Thanks.

It was the bodyline or the '28 team, as the goal was to avoid overlap.

You believe the bodyline team was better? Having Hobbs /.Sutcliffe and Tate swayed me to the latter.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Though only had limited options, and whilst there for his bowling, Brad Hogg was a handy number 8 for Australia in the batting order in Test matches (averaged 26.57). But he appeared more in ODI cricket for Australia at number 8 and he averaged 20.25.

Brad Hogg was more of a batting all-rounder early in his state career (partly because he played at the WACA for WA and there wasn't a huge requirement for spin bowling). As he got older he kind of forgot how to be though. By the time he was a T20 specialist he was practically useless

 

[the big bambino]

Thanks.

It was the bodyline or the '28 team, as the goal was to avoid overlap.

You believe the bodyline team was better? Having Hobbs /.Sutcliffe and Tate swayed me to the latter.

That's true about the bodyline team, it didn't have a good partner for Sutcliffe. One other side I rate highly is the first one I saw which was Illingworth's great side in 70/71. It's one rare instance when a replacement made the team stronger. I'm thinking of the repatriation of of Alan Ward and the inclusion of Willis which began his own test career.

 

[peterhrt]

The current England team has ten players with first-class hundreds. All except Archer who has a 2nd XI century.

Most recent instances of each Test nation fielding eleven first-class centurions going into the match:

India v Australia, Dharamsala, 2017. Won by 8 wickets.
Rahul, Vijay, Pujara, Rahane*, Nair, Ashwin, Saha+, Jadeja, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Kuldeep Yadav, Umesh Yadav.

England v India, Rajkot, 2016. Drawn.
Cook*, Hameed, Root, Duckett, Moeen Ali, Stokes, Bairstow+, Woakes, Rashid, Ansari, Broad.

Zimbabwe v Australia, Perth, 2003. Lost by an innings and 175 runs.
Ebrahim, Gripper, Vermeulen, Carlisle, Wishart, CN Evans, Taibu+, Streak*, Ervine, Blignaut, Price.

New Zealand v England, Old Trafford, 1999. Drawn.
Horne, Bell, Fleming*, Astle, Twose, McMillan, Parore+, Cairns, Nash, Harris, Vettori.

South Africa v Australia, Adelaide, 1998. Drawn.
Bacher, Kirsten, Kallis, Cronje*, Gibbs, Richardson+, Rhodes, McMillan, SM Pollock, Klusener, Symcox.

Pakistan v India, Lahore, 1989. Drawn.
Aamer Malik, Rameez Raja, Saleem Malik, Javed Miandad, Shoaib Mohammad, Imran Khan*, Abdul Qadir, Nadeem Abbasi+, Wasim Akram,
Akram Raza, Shahid Mahboob.

Australia v Pakistan, Karachi, 1959. Drawn.
McDonald, GB Stevens, Harvey, O'Neill, Mackay, Favell, Burge, Grout+, Benaud*, Davidson, Lindwall.

The only time both teams included eleven centurions was the Lord's Ashes Test of 1905, which ended in a rain-affected draw.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Brad Hogg was more of a batting all-rounder early in his state career (partly because he played at the WACA for WA and there wasn't a huge requirement for spin bowling). As he got older he kind of forgot how to be though. By the time he was a T20 specialist he was practically useless

Hogg was a batsman when he first started for WA and batted in the middle-order. Then coach Tony Mann encouraged him to bowl wrist spin and eventually he became more of a bowler who was handy with the bat.

I wouldn't say he forgot how to bat. He just shifted his focus to his bowling but still contributed with the bat.

But just on his batting, he still holds the record for the highest score in 1st Grade WA Premier cricket: 285 when he played for Willetton against Bayswater Morley:

Hogg breaks Perth first grade batting record

Perth 1st grade side Bayswater Morley was spanked out of contention for this season's first grade final single-handedly on the weekend by Western Warrior discard Brad Hogg who belted a record-breaking 285 runs

www.espncricinfo.com

I also had Hoggy play in some of my games when I umpired him towards the tail-end of his career when he played for Willetton.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I wouldn't say he forgot how to bat. He just shifted his focus to his bowling but still contributed with the bat.

Not in the last 4 or 5 years of his career he didn't. Granted he was getting into his 40s but he was regularly the no. 11 for every T20 side he played with and the rare occasion he got a hit he might as well have been Glenn McGrath

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Not in the last 4 or 5 years of his career he didn't. Granted he was getting into his 40s but he was regularly the no. 11 for every T20 side he played with and the rare occasion he got a hit he might as well have been Glenn McGrath

Yeah I'm looking at things overall, not the last 4 or 5 years of career.