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Help - I have a Drafting Dilemma

Line and Length

International Coach
I have always enjoyed participating in drafts and have come to expect that, when it comes to judgement time (ie voting) I finish well down in the rankings.

However, when we completed and voted on the “Other Guys” draft I had expectations of doing reasonably well. Two of my three votes went to the eventual joint winners and I thought my side compared reasonably well to both teams. Yet, when the crunch came, I scored just a single vote (Thanks @Fuller Pilch ).

I then decided it was time to analyse where I was going wrong, so I compared the top two teams with my own. All three had similar structures – a batting lined-up comprising 2 openers and 3 middle order bats. Positions 6 and 7 were occupied in all three teams by an all-rounder and a wicketkeeper while the tail was made up of 3 pace bowlers plus a spinner.

Looking statistically at the three teams I noted the following:

The 5 batsmen

All of my batsmen (1-5) average over 40 compared with Pothas’s team with 4 over 40 and Bitmap’s 2. The average runs per competed innings for these top 5 batsmen were:
Line & Length 42.46; Pothas 41.37 and Bitmap 38.53.

The All-Rounder

Interestingly all three teams had a Kiwi all-rounder. Batting-wise all three were close. Mine (de Grandhomme) averaged 38.27, Bitmap’s (Astle) 37.02 and Pothas’s (Oram) 36.33. Bowling-wise, Oram (60 @ 32.92) and de Grandhomme (49 @ 32.96) were close but Astle (51 @ 42.02) was well down on average and WPM (0.62 to 1.81 and 1.69).

The Wicketkeeper

Bitmap probably had the best keeper in Foakes while Pothas had Chandimal who only kept in 28 of his 89 Tests. Chandimal had the best batting average (43.41) but this slides below 40 when keeping. My selection , Sarfaraz Ahmed, averages a healthy 37.42 – well clear of Foakes (29.21). When keeping, Chandimal averaged 2.86 dismissals per match compared with Foakes (3.16) and Sarfaraz (3.38).

The Bowlers

Looking at the pace trios, mine was less experienced than the other two (130 Tests compared with Bitmap’s 199 and Pothas’s 190). Average wise Pothas’s pace bowlers averaged 3.76 wpm at an average of 27.81 while Bitmap’s trio averaged 3.83 wpm @ 29.22 and mine 3.67 wpm @ 29.06. I might add, both mine and Bitmap’s pace average suffered from having the most experienced bowlers with the most wickets (Southee and Lee) averaging a shade over 30.

Looking at the 3 spinners mine (Ian Johnson) was one of the ‘Invincibles’ and averaged 29.19 compared with Harbhajan Singh (Pothas) 32.46 and Mushtaq Ahmed (Bitmap) 32.97.

Batting from the tail can also be a factor. Bitmap’s tail scored 9 innings over 50 in 251 Tests. Pothas had a tail that contributed 13 scores over 50 (including 2 ‘tons’) in 293 Tests whilst my tail scored 17 knocks over 50 in 175 Tests.

So where am I going wrong? I’m not claiming in any way that my team should have won the vote, but to finish bottom with just a solitary vote when it clearly lines up reasonably well against the top teams is puzzling and frustrating.

I would really appreciate your suggestions as to how I can improve my drafting technique and, just as importantly, what do I need to do to attract the odd vote or two.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If you'd picked Russel Arnold or Neil Johnson, I would have chucked you a vote.

Looking at the selections, I'd argue you had a few guys who could be quite flakey on their day. Most of that top order could go big, but no one was ever thinking of getting Ian Bell to bat for their life. That's not to say other teams didn't have similar issues when you've taken out the best 100-odd players from the draft.

Much of these things come down to gut feel IMO; there's often not huge differences between selections.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
I think you might rate some of your picks more than most (which is always the problem obviously).

Rowe played in some very batting-friendly tests, in which the overall runs per wicket was 35 (compare Yousuf, Barrington 32 or Samaraweera, Katich 33). His test average of 43 being so much higher than his FC average over a much greater sample size further affirms that it's fairly inflated.

Sarfaraz is a terrible keeper and that matters a lot more than his batting advantage over Foakes.

And if people are stuck between two teams then ultimately – no one really likes Michael Vaughan.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Everything I say here is just opinion. I think while your team is good, stats over sell them a bit.

Let's start with the top 5. The only batsman I think whose average isn't inflated I feel is Vaughan and too an extent, Sidhu. Rowe had some flat tracks and averages fair bit lower in FC but moreso it's that he had an ugly downfall in an already short career. Bell and Azam being expert wankers is nothing new to state. They are really good downhill skiers and struggles when the going gets tough. Numbers fairly aided by the flat late 2000s/early 2010s and the Pakistani roads. And Azam has a bad decline over that. Sidhu and Vaughan are fair representatives of their averages, though Sidhu wasn't really much good against quality pace, an issue for an Opener. To compare with Pothas, who imo had the best team, I will rank the batsmen as:
Mead>Redpath>Vaughan>Gibbs>Lehmann>Azam>Rowe>Sidhu>Bell>Hussain

Now onto the keepers, Chandimal as solely a batsman I would rank alongside Azam. Sarfaraz is not a bad batsman, infact he is exceptional to spin, but he still gains from Pakistani roads and is lackluster to pace. Moreover, he is a poor keeper, Chandimal is easily better in that regard. Re Foakes, yes Sarfaraz is a much better batsman but Foakes is an exceptional keeper. Even I would take Foakes over Sarfaraz.

Now onto all-rounders, here I personally feel while De Grandhomme's batting average over sells him, his bowling under sells. He is not really in the same tier as a batsman to Astle, but I don't count Astle as an allrounder but a part timer. Re Oram, I feel Oram is a better bat and Colin a better bowler. Between de Grandhomme and Oram, I will take Colin, just, though they are really close.

Now onto spinners, I think among the spinners Mushtaq>Johnson>Harbhajan. I personally don't like Harbhajan, think he was mid. Mushtaq's away record especially in Australia wins him over Johnson for me, but as overall player I will put him and Johnson as equals. Surprised no one went with Titmus tbh.

As for the pacers, Ngidi has really inflated stats. He is a good bowler with the stats of a Great one for his Home conditions in SA. Reiffle a good bowler and handy batsman but don't feel is anything special and I think Lee in Tests is mid. Pothas really struck jackpot with his pacers, I rank all 3 among the 10 best available, with 2 in 5. I will go to rank them:
Morkel>Gough>Fraser>Ngidi>Lee>Reiffle


Again your team is really good, I just pointed out some flaws I felt it had.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Don't worry about it. When I saw the final XIs I thought Teuton's team would win easily, so people notice different things.. I also really rated Silva Silver's 4 man pace attack with McCool and your team too for the reasons you've given. I guess voters look at different criteria. I really really liked my team (brilliant 3-6 with NZ's 2nd best no3, the 2 best averages behind the Don, plus Misbah at 6), deep batting and good bowling including 2 very good allrounders in Taylor and Mudassar and thought apart from lacking a left-arm quick* my team was brilliant, yet only got 2 votes. Don't change what you're doing just to gain votes in subsequent drafts.

*Perhaps I should've picked Collinge or Sidebottom or even Dougie Bollinger in hindsight.

Edit: I only just noticed how good Andrew B's team is as well. Sometimes voters don't even notice all the quality teams.
 
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sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
Everything I say here is just opinion. I think while your team is good, stats over sell them a bit.

Let's start with the top 5. The only batsman I think whose average isn't inflated I feel is Vaughan and too an extent, Sidhu. Rowe had some flat tracks and averages fair bit lower in FC but moreso it's that he had an ugly downfall in an already short career. Bell and Azam being expert wankers is nothing new to state. They are really good downhill skiers and struggles when the going gets tough. Numbers fairly aided by the flat late 2000s/early 2010s and the Pakistani roads. And Azam has a bad decline over that. Sidhu and Vaughan are fair representatives of their averages, though Sidhu wasn't really much good against quality pace, an issue for an Opener. To compare with Pothas, who imo had the best team, I will rank the batsmen as:
Mead>Redpath>Vaughan>Gibbs>Lehmann>Azam>Rowe>Sidhu>Bell>Hussain

Now onto the keepers, Chandimal as solely a batsman I would rank alongside Azam. Sarfaraz is not a bad batsman, infact he is exceptional to spin, but he still gains from Pakistani roads and is lackluster to pace. Moreover, he is a poor keeper, Chandimal is easily better in that regard. Re Foakes, yes Sarfaraz is a much better batsman but Foakes is an exceptional keeper. Even I would take Foakes over Sarfaraz.

Now onto all-rounders, here I personally feel while De Grandhomme's batting average over sells him, his bowling under sells. He is not really in the same tier as a batsman to Astle, but I don't count Astle as an allrounder but a part timer. Re Oram, I feel Oram is a better bat and Colin a better bowler. Between de Grandhomme and Oram, I will take Colin, just, though they are really close.

Now onto spinners, I think among the spinners Mushtaq>Johnson>Harbhajan. I personally don't like Harbhajan, think he was mid. Mushtaq's away record especially in Australia wins him over Johnson for me, but as overall player I will put him and Johnson as equals. Surprised no one went with Titmus tbh.

As for the pacers, Ngidi has really inflated stats. He is a good bowler with the stats of a Great one for his Home conditions in SA. Reiffle a good bowler and handy batsman but don't feel is anything special and I think Lee in Tests is mid. Pothas really struck jackpot with his pacers, I rank all 3 among the 10 best available, with 2 in 5. I will go to rank them:
Morkel>Gough>Fraser>Ngidi>Lee>Reiffle


Again your team is really good, I just pointed out some flaws I felt it had.
Please do the same with my team.
 

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