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Haynes vs Langer

Better Batsman

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BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
Could go for either, but I think Haynes accomplished more away from home than his away average suggests. Averaging more at home than Viv, Greenidge and Lloyd by a big margin is pretty good too.
 
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reyrey

State 12th Man
BazBall21 said:
Could go for either, but I think Haynes accomplished more away from home than his away average suggests. Averaging more at home than Viv, Greenidge and Lloyd by a big margin is pretty good too.
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His home average is quite deceptive as he had a crazy number of Not Outs. 15 out of 84 innings (18%) were Not Outs
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
I think players like Langer and David Boon are a bit underrated; it's probably because there are just so many great Australian batsmen, guys like that go under the radar as a result.
 
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Johan

Johan

International Coach
I feel like Haynes really only failed in India and Australia, he was very good in England and New Zealand, and his record in Pakistan seems contextual, from the 3 serieses Windies played in Pakistan with Haynes, the batting average was 19.35, for reference the mormal batting avarage of the decade was 30.45, and even the average in South Africa this decade has been 25.46, So he really got some very, very difficult wickets in Pakistan.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
reyrey said:
I would go with Viv or at least put them equal. Both averaged a similar number of runs per innings batted, but Viv had 11 hundreds in 69 innings and Haynes had 10 in 84
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Haynes' home record takes some toppling. Averaged 40+ in 11 out of 13 series on Caribbean shores. One of the two exceptions was against Pakistan in 1988, he responded by dominating peak Wasim and Waqar in 1993. The other instance was the final series of his career where he still averaged a respectable 36. Ploughed into Australia in 1984 and was prolific v an improved Aussie attack in 1991.

It can be easy to assume players who were significantly better at home than away were downhill skier types, but opening on some of the West Indian tracks was far from plain sailing even when adjusting to other teams not having as strong a set of HTD attacks.

Haynes also proved he wasn't just an FTB overseas. He was visually and practically a sturdy opener v lateral movement; averaged 46 in a very low-scoring long series in England (1991) and 57 on a New Zealand tour where WI struggled v peak Hadlee and co.
 
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