Each Bilateral's Greatest

[capt_Luffy]

I'll do WI:

West Indies vs India:

West Indies: Sobers, India: Kapil/Ashwin/Gavaskar tough to pick one
Overall: Sobers

West Indies vs Australia:

West Indies: Ambrose, Australia: McGrath
Overall: Ambrose

West Indies vs England:

West Indies: Sobers, Not many standouts for England here ... maybe Gooch? Dunno
Overall: Sobers

West Indies vs South Africa:

West Indies: Kallis. Tough to go past batting avg 73, bowling avg 30. South Africa: Probably Lara or Walsh. Slim pickings otherwise.
Overall: Kallis

West Indies vs New Zealand:
West Indies: Gayle seems to have a good record vs them so maybe him.

West Indies vs Pakistan:
West Indies: Others like Sobers have gaudier numbers, but Hooper is a sneaky good pick here imo. Some very high quality runs. Pakistan: Imran
Overall: Imran

West Indies vs Sri Lanka:
West Indies: Lara. Sri Lanka: Vaas.
Overall: Might actually go for Vaas here, surprisingly. Has 3 gaudy series vs them . 26 wickets @15 in 2001, 13 wickets @5 (!) in 2005 and 12 wickets @19 in 2007.

Interesting

 

[Johan]

West Indies vs England:

West Indies: Sobers, Not many standouts for England here ... maybe Gooch? Dunno
Overall: Sobers

I personally went Freddie as he was the driving force behind England winning a series in West Indies after 30 years (I think) and had the ridiculous 1963-64 series where it was a ridiculous one man show, just one guy vs one of the strongest batting lineups, taking 34 wickets in 8 innings, but Gooch is also a good shout.

I think Hutton also has a good claim, in 13 games against West Indies, Hutton has 1,661 runs @ 79.10, He also averages 77 in the West Indies, played like 4 genuine match winning knocks and almost singlehandedly turned the 1954 West Indies tour from a 4-0 West Indies chokeslam to a 2-2 Draw.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I'll be doing the WI thank you:

WI vs Australia:

WI: Ambrose
Australia: McGrath
Winner: Ambrose

WI vs England

WI: Viv
Eng: Gooch
Winner: Viv

WI vs India

WI: Sobers
India: Dev
Winner: Sobers

WI vs Pakistan

Pakistan: Imran
WI: Hooper
Winner: Imran

WI vs NZ

WI: Walsh
NZ: Hadlee
Winner: Hadlee

WI vs RSA

WI: Walsh
RSA: Kallis
Winner: Kallis

WI vs SL

WI: Lara
SL: Murali
Winner: Lara

WI vs Bang

WI: Sarwan
Bang: Shakib (?)
Winner: Shakib

WI vs Zim

WI: Walsh
Zim: Flowers
Winner: Flowers

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'll be doing the WI thank you:

WI vs Australia:

WI: Viv
Australia: McGrath
Winner: McGrath

WI vs England

WI: Viv
Eng: Gooch
Winner: Viv

WI vs India

WI: Sobers
India: Dev
Winner: Sobers

WI vs Pakistan

Pakistan: Imran
WI: Hooper
Winner: Imran

WI vs NZ

WI: Walsh
NZ: Hadlee
Winner: Hadlee

WI vs RSA

WI: Walsh
RSA: Kallis
Winner: Kallis

WI vs SL

WI: Lara
SL: Murali
Winner: Lara

WI vs Bang

WI: Sarwan
Bang: Shakib (?)
Winner: Shakib

WI vs Zim

WI: Walsh
Zim: Flowers
Winner: Flowers

Definitely Ambrose over Viv for Australia. Viv was bang average to Aussies at Home and really only had a single ATG 3 match Series and one Great on Early career.

 

[Johan]

Definitely Ambrose over Viv for Australia. Viv was bang average to Aussies at Home and really only had a single ATG 3 match Series and one Great on Early career.

Piss off

 

[capt_Luffy]

Piss off

I thought you were an Ambrose fan!??

 

[honestbharani]

Piss off

They should just call all India-England series the Luffy-Johan Trophy and be done with it.

@capt_Luffy

 

[Johan]

They should just call all India-England series the Luffy-Johan Trophy and be done with it.

@capt_Luffy

Johan-Luffy trophy does sound pretty good.

 

[Johan]

who is the second best Australian Ashes performer? Victor Trumper?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Definitely Ambrose over Viv for Australia. Viv was bang average to Aussies at Home and really only had a single ATG 3 match Series and one Great on Early career.

I honestly forgot about Ambrose. You are absolutely correct. I'll edit. In which case, its a toss up between McGrath and Ambrose because Ambrose did as well but definitely imo faced better batting.

 

[Coronis]

I'll be doing the WI thank you:

WI vs Australia:

WI: Ambrose
Australia: McGrath
Winner: Ambrose

WI vs England

WI: Viv
Eng: Gooch
Winner: Viv

WI vs India

WI: Sobers
India: Dev
Winner: Sobers

WI vs Pakistan

Pakistan: Imran
WI: Hooper
Winner: Imran

WI vs NZ

WI: Walsh
NZ: Hadlee
Winner: Hadlee

WI vs RSA

WI: Walsh
RSA: Kallis
Winner: Kallis

WI vs SL

WI: Lara
SL: Murali
Winner: Lara

WI vs Bang

WI: Sarwan
Bang: Shakib (?)
Winner: Shakib

WI vs Zim

WI: Walsh
Zim: Flowers
Winner: Flowers

Not fair to out Walsh up against 2 brothers.

For Australia:

Australia v England
Australia: Don Bradman
England: Herbert Sutcliffe
Overall: Don Bradman

Australia v India
Australia: Steve Smith
India: Jasprit Bumrah
Overall: Jasprit Bumrah

Australia v New Zealand
Australia: Adam Gilchrist
New Zealand: Richard Hadlee
Overall: Richard Hadlee

Australia v Pakistan
Australia: Shane Warne
Pakistan: Imran Khan
Overall: Shane Warne

Australia v South Africa
Australia: Neil Harvey
South Africa: Graeme Pollock
Overall: Neil Harvey

Australia v Sri Lanka
Australia: Mike Hussey
Sri Lanka: Rangana Herath
Overall: Mike Hussey

Australia v West Indies
Australia: Glenn McGrath
West Indies: Curtly Ambrose
Overall: Glenn McGrath

Some surprise ones.

A positive assessment of Sutcliffe that I disagree with? I thought I’d never see the day.

who is the second best Australian Ashes performer? Victor Trumper?

Next best batsman would be Smith. Best bowler…. one of Warne, Lillee or McGrath.

Not sure how you’d figure Trumper.

vs England

Trumper 40 matches 74 innings 2263 @ 32.79 6 tons 9 50’s
Hill 41 matches 76 innings 2660 @ 35.46 4 tons 16 50’s

when both played

Trumper 33 matches 61 innings 1962 @ 34.42 6 tons 7 fifties
Hill 33 matches 62 innings 2178 @ 35.70 3 tons 13 fifties

Not even clearly the best bat of his own era

 

[morgieb]

who is the second best Australian Ashes performer? Victor Trumper?

Lifetime/recency bias is probably influencing me, but I think it's either Smith or Warne.

 

[Silver Silva]

I'll be doing the WI thank you:

WI vs Australia:

WI: Ambrose
Australia: McGrath
Winner: Ambrose

WI vs England

WI: Viv
Eng: Gooch
Winner: Viv

WI vs India

WI: Sobers
India: Dev
Winner: Sobers

WI vs Pakistan

Pakistan: Imran
WI: Hooper
Winner: Imran

WI vs NZ

WI: Walsh
NZ: Hadlee
Winner: Hadlee

WI vs RSA

WI: Walsh
RSA: Kallis
Winner: Kallis

WI vs SL

WI: Lara
SL: Murali
Winner: Lara

WI vs Bang

WI: Sarwan
Bang: Shakib (?)
Winner: Shakib

WI vs Zim

WI: Walsh
Zim: Flowers
Winner: Flowers

West Indies vs Bangladesh I think Shiv Chanderpaul should be included and the winner, he played double the tests than Sarwan v Bangladesh , and also faced a better Bangladesh side.

Chanderpaul vs BD :
10 Tests - 897 runs @149.50

 

[Cricket Bliss]

I’ll do Pakistan

Pakistan VS Australia
Pakistan : Imran Khan : 64 wkts @ 24.96, 862 runs @ 37.47
Australia : Shane Warne : 90 wkts @ 20.17, 275 runs @ 16.17
Overall : Imran Khan

Pakistan VS India
Pakistan : Zaheer Abbas : 1,740 runs @ 87.00
India : Sunil Gavaskar : 2,089 runs @ 56.45
Overall : Zaheer Abbas

Paksitan VS Sri Lanka
Pakistan : Wasim Akram : 63 wkts @ 21.26, 545 runs @ 28.28
Sri Lanka : Kumar Sangakkara : 2,911 runs @ 74.64, 15 dismissals
Overall : Kumar Sangakkara

Pakistan VS South Africa
Pakistan : Taufeeq Umar : 730 runs @ 60.83
South Africa: Shaun Pollock : 45 wkts @ 21.35, 550 runs @ 42.30
Overall : Shaun Pollock

Pakistan VS England
Pakistan : Mohammad Yousuf : 1,499 runs @ 62.45
England : James Anderson : 82 wkts @ 19.23
Overall : James Anderson

Pakistan VS New Zealand
Pakistan : Javed Miandad : 1,919 runs @ 79.95
New Zealand : Kane Williamson : 1,519 runs @ 66.04
Overall : Javed Miandad

Pakistan VS West Indies
Pakistan : Mohammad Yousuf : 1,214 runs @ 101.16
West Indies : Colin Croft : 50 wkts @ 19.56
Overall : Mohammad Yousuf

Pakistan VS Bangladesh
Pakistan : Younis Khan : 638 runs @ 79.75
Bangladesh : Shakib Al Hasan : 546 runs @ 54.60, 14 wkts @ 58.50
Overall : Younis Khan

Pakistan VS Zimbabwe
Pakistan : Wasim Akram : 47 wkts @ 21.21, 440 runs @ 36.66
Zimbabwe : Heath Streak : 44 wkts @ 22.90, 214 runs @ 19.45
Overall : Wasim Akram

Pakistan VS Ireland
Pakistan : Mohammad Abbas : 9 wkts @ 12.22
Ireland : Kevin O'Brien : 158 runs @ 79.00
Overall : Mohammad Abbas

 

[capt_Luffy]

I’ll do Pakistan

Pakistan VS Australia
Pakistan : Imran Khan : 64 wkts @ 24.96, 862 runs @ 37.47
Australia : Shane Warne : 90 wkts @ 20.17, 275 runs @ 16.17
Overall : Imran Khan

Pakistan VS India
Pakistan : Zaheer Abbas : 1,740 runs @ 87.00
India : Sunil Gavaskar : 2,089 runs @ 56.45
Overall : Zaheer Abbas

Paksitan VS Sri Lanka
Pakistan : Wasim Akram : 63 wkts @ 21.26, 545 runs @ 28.28
Sri Lanka : Kumar Sangakkara : 2,911 runs @ 74.64, 15 dismissals
Overall : Kumar Sangakkara

Pakistan VS South Africa
Pakistan : Taufeeq Umar : 730 runs @ 60.83
South Africa: Shaun Pollock : 45 wkts @ 21.35, 550 runs @ 42.30
Overall : Shaun Pollock

Pakistan VS England
Pakistan : Mohammad Yousuf : 1,499 runs @ 62.45
England : James Anderson : 82 wkts @ 19.23
Overall : James Anderson

Pakistan VS New Zealand
Pakistan : Javed Miandad : 1,919 runs @ 79.95
New Zealand : Kane Williamson : 1,519 runs @ 66.04
Overall : Javed Miandad

Pakistan VS West Indies
Pakistan : Mohammad Yousuf : 1,214 runs @ 101.16
West Indies : Colin Croft : 50 wkts @ 19.56
Overall : Mohammad Yousuf

Pakistan VS Bangladesh
Pakistan : Younis Khan : 638 runs @ 79.75
Bangladesh : Shakib Al Hasan : 546 runs @ 54.60, 14 wkts @ 58.50
Overall : Younis Khan

Pakistan VS Zimbabwe
Pakistan : Wasim Akram : 47 wkts @ 21.21, 440 runs @ 36.66
Zimbabwe : Heath Streak : 44 wkts @ 22.90, 214 runs @ 19.45
Overall : Wasim Akram

Pakistan VS Ireland
Pakistan : Mohammad Abbas : 9 wkts @ 12.22
Ireland : Kevin O'Brien : 158 runs @ 79.00
Overall : Mohammad Abbas

WI should definitely be Imran imo

 

[Johan]

Moyo's WI runs are minnow bashing, it's like saying Hammond is the best performer in England vs New Zealand tests.

 

[MasterBlaster24]

Pakistan VS South Africa
Pakistan : Taufeeq Umar : 730 runs @ 60.83

Azhar Mahmood is clearly a better choice than Taufeeq Umar.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Let me do South Africa then:


South Africa vs Australia:

South Africa: Graeme Pollock: 1453 @69.19
Australia: Don Bradman: 806 @201.5

Overall: Don Bradman



South Africa vs England:

South Africa: Aubrey Faulkner: 874 @30.13, 68 @21.64
England : Sydney Barnes: 83 @9.85

Overall: Sydney Barnes



South Africa vs West Indies:

South Africa: Jacques Kallis: 2356 @73.62, 52 @30.05
West Indies: Courtney Walsh: 51 @19.8

Overall: Jacques Kallis


South Africa vs India:

South Africa: Jacques Kallis: 1734 @69.36, 22 @41.16
India: Virat Kohli: 1408 @54.15

Overall: Jacques Kallis


South Africa vs Pakistan:

South Africa: Shaun Pollock: 550 @42.3, 45 @21.35
Pakistan: Azhar Mahmood: 530 @75.31, 9 @40.66

Overall: Shaun Pollock


South Africa vs Sri Lanka:

South Africa: Shaun Pollock: 552 @32.52, 48 @22.33
Sri Lanka: Mutthiah Muralitharan: 104 @22.22

Overall: Shaun Pollock



South Africa vs New Zealand:

South Africa: Dale Steyn: 68 @16.04
New Zealand: Kane Williamson: 1068 @62.82

Overall: Dale Steyn



South Africa vs Zimbabwe:

South Africa: Jacques Kallis: 676 @169.75, 21 @14.75
Zimbabwe: Andy Flower: 566 @70.75, ct 7, st 1

Overall: Jacques Kallis



South Africa vs Bangladesh:

South Africa: Kagiso Rabada: 29 @10.55
Bangladesh: Taijul Islam: 23 @33.52

Overall: Kagiso Rabada

 

[capt_Luffy]

Australia was extremely difficult to choose between Bradman, Grimmett and Harvey; and almost went with Steyn for India and Kallis for Bangladesh

 

[Johan]

By the way lads, someone do NZ, I wanna see Hadlee show up five times