Dravid vs Miandad

[BazBall21]

Now now. Don't exaggerate. Dravid has an edge at best.

Miandad 38 in Aus, Dravid 41 in Aus including three sub par series in four including flopping against McWarne.

Dravid ATG in Eng, but Miandad also very good.

Miandad ATG in NZ, Dravid also excellent.

Dravid sub par in SL where he struggled against Murali, great in Pakistan, Miandad very good in India.

Dravid poor in SA while Miandad poor in WI, both with one excellent series there.

Dravid awesome in WI though will give him that.

Miandad wasn't very good in England

 

[subshakerz]

Miandad wasn't very good in England

I suppose he was borderline good/very good. Yes he cashed in on some flat surfaces there to boost his average.

 

[subshakerz]

Why not ATG?

Rather ordinary attacks he scored more against except for Bond series.

 

[BazBall21]

I suppose he was borderline good/very good. Yes he cashed in on some flat surfaces there to boost his average.

Both his hundreds there were on roads v below average attacks. Good twin 50s v Botham&Willis but not much else.

 

[subshakerz]

Dravid with a 41 avg and 2 critical match winning performances being described as sub par in Australia while Miandad in England being described as 'very good' doesn't compute. Miandad failed massively in his tours there against Willis and early Botham and made some ridiculously soft impact less runs on highways in later tours against some atrocious bowling attacks. Don't rate his runs in England highly at all.

Overall as batsmen it's very close, but Dravid wipes the floor with him as an away batsman.

Yeah sorry Dravid in Australia is overrated to me because folks downplay the extent to which he failed against McWarne but he was being described as clearly better there than Miandad whereas there isn't a big difference at all.

Fine, I am not hung up on considering Miandad very good in England but all said and done with a 46 average he isn't subpar there.

And I don't disagree Dravid is better away but it's not this landslide folks are presenting it as.

 

[BazBall21]

I agree that Dravid was modest in Australia but I think Miandad was modest in England too tbh. Capitalising on two roads v poor attacks doesn't say much for his credentials at tackling the conditions there.

 

[subshakerz]

^

and for someone who doesn't rate Miandad's home runs much at all, it should be easy to see why I wouldn't rate him close to Dravid.

Like I pointed out, without minnows, Miandad averaging 54 and Dravid 49.

So how much you want to deduct from his home record? We should do the same for flat bat era too to a lesser extent.

As most here have pointed out, it is close overall.

 

[subshakerz]

I agree that Dravid was modest in Australia but I think Miandad was modest in England too tbh. Capitalising on two roads v poor attacks doesn't say much for his credentials at tackling the conditions there.

To clarify, I don't consider Dravid a fail in Aussie but perhaps similar to Miandad his averages there flatters him. A soft record.

 

[BazBall21]

To clarify, I don't consider Dravid a fail in Aussie but perhaps similar to Miandad his averages there flatters him.

Yeah 'modest' wasn't intended to imply he was a mug, more that he was quite limited. I like his knock at Perth (2008), but he did only average 33.9 on that tour.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah 'modest' wasn't intended to imply he was a mug, more that he was quite limited. I like his knock at Perth (2008), but he did only average 33.9 on that tour.

My question would be though why should Dravid be considered par in Australia and not Miandad? The latter never had the flat tracks Dravid had in the 2000s. I understand the significance of the 2003 Adelaide win but then we shouldn't downplay him being totally owned by McWarne.

Perth was an excellent knock too.

 

[OverratedSanity]

My question would be though why should Dravid be considered par in Australia and not Miandad? The latter never had the flat tracks Dravid had in the 2000s.

That's not true at all. The 1977 and 1983/84 tours were extremely high scoring with flat decks. Miandad just didn't cash in fully.

 

[BazBall21]

My question would be though why should Dravid be considered par in Australia and not Miandad? The latter never had the flat tracks Dravid had in the 2000s.

Dravid possibly had flatter tracks there by and large but JM's only ton v a full strength Australia came on a traditional Adelaide belter where Moshin Khan&Qasim Omar also tonned up. I don't find either particularly impressive in HTD conditions; think Dravid has the edge on such tracks.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Dravid has a legit Great Australian tour to draw a series. I don't think it's level above or even much ahead, but I will take it over Miandad in both Australia and England.

 

[subshakerz]

That's not true at all. The 1977 and 1983/84 tours were extremely high scoring with flat decks. Miandad just didn't cash in fully.

83 yes. 77 no, the second test was a flat track, the first was a fairly even track but the only reason Pakistan scored was because Thommo was missing and the other two pacers were injured. 3rd test was bowling friendly.

Bottomline tho is there isn't any significant difference between them in Aus.

 

[subshakerz]

Dravid has a legit Great Australian tour to draw a series. I don't think it's level above or even much ahead, but I will take it over Miandad in both Australia and England.

Yes let's just ignore Dravids failings then and focus only on his highlights.

Folks here might forget but Dravid came into that 99 series in Aus on the back of a very good rep and his total flop against McWarne was a major surprise.

 

[Johan]

My question would be though why should Dravid be considered par in Australia and not Miandad? The latter never had the flat tracks Dravid had in the 2000s. I understand the significance of the 2003 Adelaide win but then we shouldn't downplay him being totally owned by McWarne.

Perth was an excellent knock too.

If you want to consider flat wickets, Miandad also got some super flat wickets in NZ

 

[BazBall21]

Gower's hundreds v Hadlee came in tougher conditions than Mianadad's.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yes let's just ignore Dravids failings then and focus only on his highlights.

Folks here might forget but Dravid came into that 99 series in Aus on the back of a very good rep and his total flop against McWarne was a major surprise.

Nope. I am just highlighting he did significantly more productive than anything Miandad did there.

 

[subshakerz]

Nope. I am just highlighting he did significantly more productive than anything Miandad did there.

Which is counterbalanced by him flopping worse against a full strength attack. At least accept there is another side to the equation.

 

[ashley bach]

If you want to consider flat wickets, Miandad also got some super flat wickets in NZ

Yeah he was a pain in the arse and I got sick and tired at the sight of him.