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Clutch Players.
- Thread starter SillyCowCorner1
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Ha yeah, I'm not sure that earns a laughing emoji though. If I was a Kiwi, surely I'd be too bitter to pump up Stokes' tyres, for many reasons, so must the Boult choke thing. And he's about as mentally tough as anyone.
mr_mister
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Are you saying Root got his sums wrong ala Greg Chappell?
But to your earlier point about how he wasn't a third seamer, he also wasn't a top 5 bat til recently
But honestly I dunno why were having this argument. If a full time bowler leaking 4 sixes in a final over to lose a WC can't be called a choke you're setting the bar a little too high for the word
The way you wrote and the angle you came from in that post confirmed it regardless of anything else.
I absolutely stand by it. And not to be obtuse either. I don't believe it was a choke, he's just not a bowler capable of landing six balls in the same place. He's not a death specialist. Never was.
I just think the word choke gets thrown around like confetti and most of the time incorrectly. Just because you get pumped for 20 odd off four balls in a final, doesn't make it a choke. It can just be an underperformance, or a performance that signifies your abilities. If I miss a two-foot putt in golf, it's quite probably a choke because I make that every time under less pressurised situations. If I miss a five footer, even if it's to decide a final or in a 'clutch' moment, it's not necessarily a choke. Because I make probably 50-60% of those in non-pressure moments. Sometimes, even if I'm not nervous, I'll miss it. A choke is when your natural ability gets stunted by mental tightness.
Yeah, he would. But again like I say, the 10% doesn't automatically have to be a choke. I might make 90% of three footers but the 10% is the distribution of my poor strokes, not my chokes.
I guess to wrap it up in a nice little bundle, we have zero way of knowing what a choke is unless we have brain scanning technology pinned to a player. I feel like a lot of times a choke is labelled, it's just simply underperformance. Which can happen in over 1 or 50. And given how mentally strong I believe Stokes is, I'd put that one down to poor execution on his behalf and great execution on Braithwaite's. Not a choke.
Not against a big hitter. Ben Stokes has no ability with the ball under pressure. It depends who is in to bat against him. When Stokes came on to bowl to Braithwaite I knew it was game over live and I called it pre-game to whom I was watching the game with. We both knew Stokes would bowl the final over and throw it away for England before a ball was bowled it was almost meant to happen. Stokes is a slot bowler at the death when he's under pressure.
mr_mister
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If one of those rare 10% misses come in a WC final over or a playoff hole at Augusta that's when the word choke gets thrown around. Having a rare miss at the most important of times. It's pretty simple
I'm pretending nothing. But based on his personality and hitting attributes having nothing to lose against a slot bowler was heaven for him and proved to be. Yes I did. Sometimes things come to you before they happen in cricket, it depends what the angle is you are coming from. You might be able to predict certain things in cricket better than me before they happen and visa versa. I don't know you well enough to be sure of that, but certain things can be predictable live.
I watched the game between Pakistan and Australia live where Hussey made mince meat of Ajmal in t20. The person I watched the game with was certain Hussey would win the game even with a few overs left. Ajmal bowled great at the time and Hussey murdered him. It was a told you so moment, not for me but for the person I watched the match with - which blew my mind that day - much like yours would have been if you were with us the day Braithwaite damaged Stokes in the final over. We were sure of it before a ball was bowled. It was just one of those weird things in life. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Stokes at Headingley I thought England would win even with 70 to win. Something was weird about that game too. Most games are unpredictable in cricket but some seem to develop a pattern as the match wears on.
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Trust me, it wasn't Gamhiring or anything else you want to call it. Braithwaite is a calm dude he knows Stokes is the opposite, it was the perfect match up for him he just waited for the bad balls and sent them over the rope effortlessly.
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