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Choose one combo : Root & Sachin vs Ponting & Lara

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Johan

Johan

International Coach
Ignoring Pre-Golden Era

  1. Bradman
  2. Hobbs
  3. Tendulkar
  4. Hutton
  5. Richards
  6. Sobers
  7. Smith
  8. Lara
  9. Hammond
  10. Gavaskar
  11. Sutcliffe
  12. Headley
  13. Pollock
  14. Chappell (WSC)
  15. Border
  16. Root
  17. Ponting
  18. Kallis
  19. Sangakkara
  20. Waugh
  21. Dravid
  22. Barrington
  23. Compton
  24. Chappell (No WSC)
  25. Trumper
  26. Ranjitsinhji
  27. Weekes
  28. May
  29. Walcott
  30. Harvey
  31. Boycott
  32. Nourse
  33. De Villiers
  34. Barry
  35. Worrell
  36. Kohli
  37. Crowe
  38. Miandad
  39. Younis Khan
  40. Williamson
  41. Hill
  42. Flower
  43. Lloyd
  44. Kanhai
  45. Gooch
  46. Cowdrey
  47. Amla
  48. Greenidge
  49. McCartney (hardest one)
  50. McCabe
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
first of all, I do rate Ponting but being grouped with Lara and Sachin is just nonsense.

short peak that basically coincided with having the strongest batting unit in history, retirement of all the great bowlers and flattening of wickets rapidly, was not good when he didn't have that unit and had multiple issues in his game with fast spin and swing movement, generally not a fan of vertical movement. Didn't even play that fast either. Him being far ahead of Root is a fantasy, cannot be explained.

I think he is better than Kallis but only marginally.
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First off, I didn't and don't group him with Lara or Tendulkar.

Secondly, while yes he was part of that legendary line up, he was alpha of said lineup and came in primarily at first drop.

The one actually heavily impacted by all of those factors was Gilchrist, but that's generally ignored and another story all together.

Yes I have him slightly ahead of Kallis and definitely ahead of Root.
 
Johan

Johan

International Coach
kyear2 said:
First off, I didn't and don't group him with Lara or Tendulkar.

Secondly, while yes he was part of that legendary line up, he was alpha of said lineup and came in primarily at first drop.

The one actually heavily impacted by all of those factors was Gilchrist, but that's generally ignored and another story all together.

Yes I have him slightly ahead of Kallis and definitely ahead of Root.
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saying the other three kind of does so?

The Mean score for Ponting entering the match was extremely high, way higher than for Root or Dravid or Sangakkara or even Kallis I think, that's a big advantage, not to mention all the other excellent support.

Nobody rates Gilchrist the bat as anything more than ATVG.

Root and Ponting roughly average the same while Root is batting in the inverse of Ponting IE extreme bowler domination era, and obviously, one plays with a garbage batting while other had the best batting ever. so Root>Ponting for me.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
saying the other three kind of does so?

The Mean score for Ponting entering the match was extremely high, way higher than for Root or Dravid or Sangakkara or even Kallis I think, that's a big advantage, not to mention all the other excellent support.

Nobody rates Gilchrist the bat as anything more than ATVG.

Root and Ponting roughly average the same while Root is batting in the inverse of Ponting IE extreme bowler domination era, and obviously, one plays with a garbage batting while other had the best batting ever. so Root>Ponting for me.
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This strawman irks me so much. He will always say, "so you deduct points from Ponting for playing with a strong batting, on flat pitches and against midish bowlers, but have no problems with Gilchrist while he batted at 7?" When no one, absolutely no one, not even me, rates Ponting and Gilchrist as equivalent or even comparable, batsmen.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
This strawman irks me so much. He will always say, "so you deduct points from Ponting for playing with a strong batting, on flat pitches and against midish bowlers, but have no problems with Gilchrist while he batted at 7?" When no one, absolutely no one, not even me, rates Ponting and Gilchrist as equivalent or even comparable, batsmen.
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There's a difference between ranking them as comparable and stating the obvious that while one is downgraded for era, the other is very much rated on his average.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
There's a difference between ranking them as comparable and stating the obvious that while one is downgraded for era, the other is very much rated on his average.
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If Gilchrist was rated "on his average" he would be compared with Harvey and May and Kohli and Lloyd as a bat, a few might have rated him higher for SR. Literally no one does that. That's the Strawman. No one rates Gilly 1-0-1 on Average, while most do, infact, do that for Ponting. Most even rate Ponting over Kallis (4 runs diff) and Sangakkara (6 runs diff).
 
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