Choose one attack

[Johan]

Wasim is just a better bowler and the batting advantage isn't that much higher.

Davo averages 33 in FC, Wasim 21, they are not close in batting lol.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Davo averages 33 in FC, Wasim 21, they are not close in batting lol.

Aussie Sheffield Shield was notoriously easy for batting. Not just Davo but Benaud, Kippax, Bevan, Miller all have kinda wankers batting stats which does nowhere near gets converted to Tests. In Tests Davidson is just slightly better, despite never scoring a ton while Wasim has 3 including a double.

 

[Johan]

Aussie Sheffield Shield was notoriously easy for batting. Not just Davo but Benaud, Kippax, Bevan, Miller all have kinda wankers batting stats which does nowhere near gets converted to Tests. In Tests Davidson is just slightly better, despite never scoring a ton while Wasim has 3 including a double.

I am sure the FC in Pakistan wasn't that challenging either

 

[Coronis]

Aussie Sheffield Shield was notoriously easy for batting. Not just Davo but Benaud, Kippax, Bevan, Miller all have kinda wankers batting stats which does nowhere near gets converted to Tests. In Tests Davidson is just slightly better, despite never scoring a ton while Wasim has 3 including a double.

I like how you generalise from Bevan all the way back to Kippax lol

 

[capt_Luffy]

I like how you generalise from Bevan all the way back to Kippax lol

It's kinda a pattern I have seen from like the mid Wars to the 2000s. From all the way from Kippax and Ponsford to Bevan and Hodge. It's particularly true for the 50s and 60s with Miller, Benaud, Tallon and Davidson.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I am sure the FC in Pakistan wasn't that challenging either

And I am sure none of us particularly rate FC from the 90s onwards. Akram has a 104 match 17 years Test career where he averaged 22.4 with 3 tons including a 259*. Think that's enough of a sample to need to fill from FC

 

[Johan]

And I am sure none of us particularly rate FC from the 90s onwards. Akram has a 104 match 17 years Test career where he averaged 22.4 with 3 tons including a 259*. Think that's enough of a sample to need to fill from FC

259* was minnow bashing

 

[shortpitched713]

Don't give me ranking explain based on actual bowling skills how the second attack is superior.

The big advantage of the first four is raw pace of Marshall and Lillee, and Wasim to a lesser extent.

Who is going to have the new ball between Steyn and Hadlee?

If it's Steyn, Hadlee without the new ball to me is not quite the same threat but will do fairly well. But Hadlee to me is superior with the new ball.

Steyn without new ball is also getting hammered IMO until the ball is old enough for him to reverse.

Wasim without new ball to me is still very effective. He is the best of these all with reverse.

I back the first attack on most surfaces.

I would go Mcgrath/Steyn with the new ball, and likely quickly change Steyn for Hadlee if there isn't an early wicket. Steyn is the strike bowler of the pacers, and would be used accordingly. All of the other 3 would be very effective together at keeping scoring slow, until the breakthrough is made, and 2 of them are very used to bowling marathon spells. My main thing is that they all have so much individual quality to make the collective work out. I'm really not concerned about a perceived lack of fit, because of their adaptability.

 

[capt_Luffy]

259* was minnow bashing

No one else from Pakistan scored a ton. It was against a weak attack no doubt but definitely a good valuable innings.

 

[subshakerz]

I would go Mcgrath/Steyn with the new ball, and likely quickly change Steyn for Hadlee if there isn't an early wicket. Steyn is the strike bowler of the pacers, and would be used accordingly. All of the other 3 would be very effective together at keeping scoring slow, until the breakthrough is made, and 2 of them are very used to bowling marathon spells. My main thing is that they all have so much individual quality to make the collective work out. I'm really not concerned about a perceived lack of fit, because of their adaptability.

Yeah so then you are denying Hadlee the fresh new ball and objectively he is a better new ball bowler than Steyn with a similar outswing MO plus seam.

I don't see how Steyn would be effective in keeping scoring slow, he will likely be an escape valve unless he is taking wickets. I get the point that you can use him in short spells though, effectively with the fresh cherry or old ball reverse.

Which bowling lineup would you prefer on a flat track?

 

[shortpitched713]

Flat track definitely prefer the second, because the height and bounce of McGrath, is the only "natural" mitigating factor that any of these bowlers have. All of them, of course have techniques to not be rendered completely ineffective on such a surface, though.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I have all three of McGrath, murali and Steyn higher on my personal list of great bowlers than any of Akram, Lillee or Warne. I like the composition better too.

 

[subshakerz]

Flat track definitely prefer the second, because the height and bounce of McGrath, is the only "natural" mitigating factor that any of these bowlers have. All of them, of course have techniques to not be rendered completely ineffective on such a surface, though.

Yeah I disagree. Flat tracks I prefer Lillee and Marshall who have the pace to get something out of the pitch, and Wasim is better at reverse.

 

[Johan]

you can be good on flat pitches without much pace tbh

 

[subshakerz]

you can be good on flat pitches without much pace tbh

Sure but pace is an added advantage.

 

[Johan]

Sure but pace is an added advantage.

question, how do you know Lillee and Marshall are faster than McGrath and Steyn?

 

[Gob]

Hmm very close indeed. An alternative would be

Bumrah
Ambrose
Imran
O'Reilly

 

[Johan]

Hmm very close indeed. An alternative would be

Bumrah
Ambrose
Imran
O'Reilly

the sight of seeing Ambrose and Bumrah bowl together would be amazing

don't get me wrong, The generational talent that is Ben Duckett will obviously still dominate them but still, shows skill and class

 

[Coronis]

the sight of seeing Ambrose and Bumrah bowl together would be amazing

don't get me wrong, The generational talent that is Ben Duckett will obviously still dominate them but still, shows skill and class

Who?

 

[subshakerz]

question, how do you know Lillee and Marshall are faster than McGrath and Steyn?

Testimony and eye test.